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New Nanos National Poll - CP, 32%, LP 30%, NDP 20%, GP 10%, BQ 9% (2008-11-19)

• Honestly - i think conservative supporters just don't answer telephone polls as much between elections. This is about what we saw from nic's numbers just bef...
• Good point as well. It just doesn't seem to be entirely accurate.
• Yeah. We COULD just slash health transfers like paul martin did and pretend we solved the problem. But really - is that the best choice?
• What website did you THINK you logged into?!?! :) :)
• Oh i doubt that will be quite accurate. There's a lot the cpc can do to reduce costs and run a small temporary deficit with the expectation of the beginnings...
• Heh - the tories are better ad putting people on lists than they are at taking them off, that's for sure. I've certainly found the tories around when I had...
• oh sure - i was supporting your position to gohabs, a subtle reminder that martin's 'solution' was to simply pass the bill onto someone else and cause great ...
• hehehehe - well in some ways Quebec and the west are very similar. In some ways tho we're very different :)
• It seems pretty likely they'll go into deficit, if not this year than next. They could of course avoid that - but it would mean either raising taxes, or down...
• The convention went well - it's been fairly well received. And harper's dealing with the economy so far is also fairly popular. I think another poster was ...
• Well - maybe not PERFECT in a year :) I think we'll have to wait for the rest of the world to recover a bit before that happens. But without a doubt, we'll...
• Lex - you realize that when people save and don't spend our economy dies, right? Cutting the gst encourages spending, and increased consumer spending was n...
• Rich people already know how to avoid gst gohabs. It's not that hard. I get back a lot of gst every year. The poor people do care about the GST - which is ...
• Ahh - i see what you're saying. Mind you - i would argue that most people see their income tax every month when they get their paycheques. A lot of people su...
• There's a strong argument there. With the possible exception of some very high tech stuff that requires a very skilled labor force to build. (nuclear reactor...
• Well - you're not quite being accurate there larryl. He didn't say deficits are essential. He said that deficits will be required IF - note the word if - we ...
• I think you were lucky enough not to blow yourself up as an electrician, high finance might be best left to others :) Actually - Rae just the other day said...
• Because the liberals 'claimed' they knew how to save 12 billion from the budget without cutting services. Harper just said 'hey, if you really do now's the t...
• What the hell do we want with military vehicles? And ships? - how do you turn a land locked auto plant into a shipbuilding facility?
• No larryl - cutting taxes to stave off recessions is actually a PROVEN effective technique. It stimulates the economy tremendously. There are numerous exampl...
• Quite true informed. I see you've hit on most of the stuff i did :) I should have just replied to your post.
• If these people you mention are working right now, then that's good enough during these tough times. Creating jobs that they don't NEED at a time when people...
• You can't just say make-believe things like that - I clearly said i believe in putting cash in the hands of both business AND consumers, not just business. A...
• That's very true. Harper is doing the right things - and with other world leaders turning to canada and listening a lot of other countries are doing the ri...
• It's a very difficult question to answer. I've listened to a lot of people discuss the subject, and my attitude is the best answer is probably both - let the...
• You're quite right larryl. The tax should never have been that high in the first place. They were forced to place it that high by the labour and other gov'ts...
• Larryl, you write: " What is the first thing about economics?I always thought it was that without consumers there was no economy. " Well then you thought w...
• I thought dion WAS their pet rock?
• Sigh. 1 - The high dollar HURT the auto industry. It mean that American prices were cheaper and people brought cars up from the states. American prices wer...
• This isn't a chicken and the egg situation - this is a 'both must exist at the same time' thing. You can have a chicken without an egg. You can have an egg w...
• Yes - bad timing. I don't know how you wind up with these left wing spenders during recessions. Rae and now mcguinty.
• Larryl - print money to pay off WHAT debt??!?! Canada's banks don't have a solvency problem! That's america, not here! Do you mean our national debt?!? - ...
• I cannot believe you're not getting this. This is so simple that most people can understand it at about grade 2. I'll try to explain it one more time. Our ...
• Trickle down works well in a good economy or a mild slowdown. It doesn't work when you actually hit a serious economic slowdown such as a recession or depres...
• Definately part of the issue lex, although there are a few more things gov'ts can do. Cutting taxes is one, new trade agreements and opportunity for business...
• "A courageous Liberal will vote for these measures and stop following the Dion/Iggy trainwreck" Let me know when you find one :)
• Our low dollar. Just a few posts ago it was our high dollar that explained our success. My but you do flip flop. Our commodities are set by world prices. O...
• Doesn't look like we're in recession quite yet :) HEATHER SCOFFIELD Globe and Mail Update November 25, 2008 at 8:56 AM EST Retail sales climbed a stron...
• And yet for you ignorance just seems to make you a bit tetchy. :) Maybe you should try slightly less ignorance and see if that helps :)
• Actually if you review the numbers, cpc and even ndp supporters stayed home in about equal numbers to the libs. And it's pretty apperent that liberals bled...
• Ooops - more good news. And doesn't the 'american' solution look a lot like what harper did a few weeks back with our banks to improve liquidity. :) Coun...
• I guess so - but really one would think that after a while even rats would want a better life than the liberals are providing.
• The liberals will oppose all of them, according to that nutbar dosanj. He has vowed to vote against every cpc vote without exception, along with his 'good fr...
• Well lets see - i predicted the election within one seat for each party. You predicted a liberal victory with the cpc at 88 seats wasn't it? I think it's sa...
• Trust me - having to explain the basics to someone who thought the libs were going to win the last election hands down is embarrasment enough :) I'm hoping i...
• Ever watch that monty python skit 'the argument', where the guy goes in for an argument and all the other guy does is say 'no' when he says 'yes'. Winds up...
• well the cpc already has learned those lessons and is doing largely the opposite. Instead of keeping taxes high and guaranteeing everyone their job with fa...
• Its true lex, but it's too simplistic a way to look at it. The poor get hurt first - but look at the big 'rich' companies. The big three threatening to go br...
• Yes, there is a tendancy to become protectionist during tough times, and it's the single worst thing a country can do in tough times. That's why harper is ou...
• Lookin' that way :) We've still got a bit of a rough road ahead for the next year, but properly managed we'll come out strong.
• Well so far it would seem harper is on your page. The problem with 'only low risk borrowers' is of course that a lot of the population cannot afford to pur...
• I wouldn't bet against you, that's for sure. I don't think it'll be spetacular growth, but i would guess we'll see some growth. It'll depend a little on wh...
• well first off - that's 27 million a year. And that's not chicken feed at all, that's enough money to pay for EI benefits for a hell of a lot of auto workers...
• Harper is the master of the 'heads i win, tails you lose' stratagy. How can people really complain when the CPC will take the biggest hit by far? How can t...
• The consequences for people that age are rather permanent. And some of those 'high risk' ventures have always been considered very low risk. I mean, 'ford'...
• I have to agree. Let them go into bankruptcy, restructure, cut to the bone and come up with a solid business model - THEN if they need a little help to make ...
• True. Fortunately harper is agressively seeking new trade deals and markets, so even if the us is flat, we may experience some new growth and expand into m...
• Agreed. Fake economies did play a huge role in the 30's. However, we don't need to look that far back - it's also what killed ontario under bob rae. We nee...
• It's not small change to the 1500 EI applicants :) And i'd rather fund them for only an additional 2 months of the year instead of 12. So it's all relative...
• His point would be that 'liberal' as it's used today in north america is NOT what it used to mean. And he'd be right. The cpc has given more cash to the pr...
• Perhaps. It does allow individuals to donate more money of course - poor people who can only afford to give up 100 dollars in a year would now be able to spe...
• The libs are toast. There's no way out of this for them. If they go to an election - they'll be arguing that they were right to spend 300 million to guarante...
• Yes, it's obvious that the opposition is desperate for the cash. Sure the CPC knows this is going to hurt them - the libs, bloc and greens moreso than the nd...
• Larryl - they got 76 seats with a full budget and months to prepare their 'green shift'. Now - they will have NO money, still have dion and the green shift w...
• There simply is no way out for the libs. They'll be destroyed no matter what they do.
• I don't think the voters would really like the idea of a bloc ndp liberal coalition. Anything else would be a minority, and we know how that story ends - ...
• Well think about that elf - dion got the worst score for a liberal with a fully funded campaign, time to prepare, and no leadership fight going on. Now - t...
• Larryl - we've been thru your 'giving people money to donate' routine before - and i showed you then it made no mathematical sense whatsoever, and less so no...
• Research has not proven to be one of larryls stronger points. And if it was, he'd note that throughout history ANY country made up of diverse regions with ...
• A lot of those votes he got were people who are sick of the liberals. They're STILL sick of the liberals. He can and likely will get them again. In fact, the...
• And while they're under provincial control, there is nothing stopping the feds from granting money to the provinces to spend on those items in addition to th...
• Well the bloc would be unlikely to be part of a coalition. But the ndp and libs might form one - but then of course it's a minority.
• Oh i'm not arguing that dion might like another chance :) People for weeks have been quietly calling him 'do-over dion', meaning they think he'd love another...
• First off gohabs - there is no such thing as a 'coalition in an election'. So - it's unbeatable only in the sense that it doesn't exist :) Second - pointing...
• ROFLMAO - oh yeah - going to the polls against dion again has me just trembling in my boots :D
• Because there's no money in it and if you get caught you go to jail. People will risk jail for money, but not for NO money. Seriously - DO THE MATH. You ca...
• The economy was NOT booming under mulroney - are you on drugs or something? The economy was in the crapper under mulroney, AND we had a brutally MASSIVE debt...
• I'm asking you - you're the one who brought it up here. If you don't know what you're talking about, maybe you shouldn't talk.
• The americans left it far too late to address. Harper started addressing issues last year. I suspect obama is going to go even further.
• Don't be so thick. The gov't doesn't get to 'pocket' any money the bank of canada makes, and the bank of canada is not where we get the lion's share of our c...
• Could be - tho he hasn't actually GIVEN a date other than 'next budget'. He might announce the date, that's possible. We'll see.
• Money markets are not much better off than any other fund right now, so that's out. I mean - a month ago we were at over a dollar american, and right now we'...
• So first out of the gate - it didn't happen as larryl has claimed several times. I kinda figured he wasn't telling the truth. Seocndly tho lex - It's ill...
• Well that's not entirely accurate lex. If you have 500,000 dollars saved up for retirement after many years of working - even at 5 percent that's 25 grand a ...
• The recession was not short at all in 81. Or more accurately while the recession was short (more than 2 fiscal quarters of negative growth) the recovery was ...
• There's downside and then there's downside. Nobody's talking about giving these people wads of cash or a 'buyout'. they're talking about changing the law t...
• No - if you pay them with the understanding that they donate money it is ILLEGAL. If they choose to donate on their own, that's legal - but that's what th...
• Some specific and very targeted stimulus AT THE RIGHT TIME can be valuable. But you're dead right - massive stimulus that is poorly targeted and broad base...
• There is no doubt - when times are tough people turn to the tories. They're the only ones who can get people out of difficult times. Except of course for t...
• On the contrary, i come up with lots of solutions and manage to get a fair number of them before the gov'ts :) What must be REALLY frustrating is to be in y...
• I doubt you'd understand them - they often involve math and things that happened more than a week ago. Frankly - seeing as you don't seem to remember event...
• Tonnes exist, you just have to look it up. It's very simple. And given what I've seen of your math skills, i expect the real number was more like 9.95 perc...
• It is in keeping with your level of ignorance that you can't see any reason why you should educate yourself. The reason is simple - if you believe what you...
• Still waiting for proof the 80's were a boom time for canada :) hahaha :) Sorry your folks didn't take the time that most normal parents do out this way to ...
• Nonsense. They had deficits, but not like the ndp, and our economy grew instead of becoming a have not province. The ndp did that :) Campbell's right wing go...
• ROFL - 'MAY" have been? Hilarious! Hey i'd let it go if it were your one and only, but we both know you don't take the time to look up ANYTHING before talki...
• What's really hilarious is that obviously you haven't accomplished anything. If you had, you wouldn't be so surprised that others have. And you're supposed...
• It is hardly an 'unreasonable risk'. We're not talking about pork bellies or start up companies here. The stocks taking the hits are long standing, safe 'blu...
• You get the same benefits - you would be able to leave your investments untaxed for another year or two if you wished. Which may well be to your advantage gi...

On the Harper election win (Nanos Sun Column) (2008-11-04)

• Actually - the repeal of the long gun registry is a VERY centrist policy. The repeal of restricted firearms registry wouldn't be but long guns... definitely....
• I tend to agree. You don't correct one big mistake by suggesting we should have 10 little mistakes instead.
• Actually brian mulroney did many things in his first term that were part of his plan to kill the deficit. Some things take more time - free trade for example...
• You also don't have to register your pets unless they are going to be off of your personal property. Take cars for example. We register cars - but you ONLY...
• Well - just a bit of history, we don't use 'fac's any more. The old system had two firearms licenses - a Possession Only License, which allowed you to own ...
• Larryl - the current firearms legislation turns honest people into criminals. Before the CPC brought in the amnesty, it was taking 3 months to process new ...
• Let me tell you a little joke Will, which might shed some light on why people are laughing at you over 'trudeaus legacy'. One morning, trudeau decided to ...
• I'm going to take issue with part of your first statement, the part which suggests that conservatives were more likely to vote. If nik's analysis is right,...
• It gets worse lex - remember that dion had spend all summer - three months - travelling across the country selling the liberal message and the green tax. Non...
• Hooo -kaaaay. Right here we can see what's wrong with the liberal party and their supporters. Roedy - first off if you actually READ dion's plan the numb...
• Agreed for the most part, but i do think he will likely take a crack at the registry again. It has very little public support and many of the opposition live...
• Larryl - nobody'd HEARD about the Green Tax prior to him taking that trip. It's a complete lie on your part to try to suggest it was to 'clear things up' -...
• Well up to a point - it's unlikely the opposition will force an election in the near future, and the CPC needs the continued support of firearms owners. A ra...
• I really have to take serious issue with the idea that if we don't spend money (vs solving problems) then somehow we're a non-progressive society. That is ...
• hehehe - well, while i'm quite pleased to see sask doing well i'm not sure its quite up to global domination yet :) No - not all provinces would pass it. Bu...
• I have heard they've had to lay off 15 people from liberal party headquarters, including 3 senior folk. That's going to have a significant impact. The news...
• Had it just been a liberal loss and not a CPC win, more of the vote would have gone to the NDP. The ndp opposed the Green Tax as much as the CPC did. So if...
• Dion is definitely not helping by staying on. But i doubt it would make much difference. What the liberal party really needed was for the CPC to get a majori...
• Hey Tom, always nice to see you around. I have heard numerous rumours as to why dion stayed, from 'begged to do so to prevent rival factions from gaining a...
• Well, floor crossings are almost inevitable - there's some in almost ALL terms. Can you remember the last HOC where there wasn't one? :) And there are many ...
• Ok - last first and first last. Last - it has become something of a liberal tradition to 'stand by' their viewpoints, and not let truth, common sense or ho...
• This is a double post isn't it? I just replied to that above.
• Yeah - floor crossers have historically been a bit of a mixed bag as a rule. There are people like turner who do badly, but there are success stories too. ...
• The logging industry is slow to get back to work this year - it'll be nov 17 ish before some of the mills start up again. Good to hear that job growth is b...
• Yes - stronger relations will benefit both of them in the long run. And their policies are remarkably similar.
• The big three own a lot of the manufacturing up here tho. If they're stronger, it keeps some of the jobs up here safer. If they collapse, we'll feel it. Un...
• Firearms sports and hunting are already one of the safest sports there is. More people are killed skiing every year. Virtually every other sport has more ser...
• Yeah - you've been singing the blessings of the 'cadman affair' since long before the election. It was going to change people's minds, it was going to save t...
• Deficits are not a bad idea inherently. The devil is in the details. It's not really possible to 'spend your way out of a recession' (as bob rae used to sa...
• Well larryl - i think sometimes when we want to believe something we look for proof that supports it, and perhaps miss proof that suggests something else. ...
• Martin cut health transfers specifically larryl, not just transfers in general. That's what forced harris to cut hospitals, he had no money to do it. Marti...
• Well sure. Canada does have to get rid of some of our more useless internal protectionist thinking and 'set the rigging' of our financial ship for the next 1...
• Well - as i recall (and i'd have to dig up precise figures to be sure) the savings and loan crisis wound up with about 60 - 70 billion in bailouts over its r...
• Yeah - i think they thought that they just had to ask for the money and they'd get it. Doesn't look like it's going to work that way. There was a segment o...

Conservative Victory Propelled by Ontario Voters (2008-10-15)

• I think probably within 3 personally. He may say he'll stay on till the next convention but he'll turn it in. The only way they can 'save' money is for dion ...
• The liberals bled a lot to the ndp and the greens. That's the truth. Jack layton advanced his cause and will be in a good position to build on that next time...
• Yeah, i think it'll take about three days. Either that or he'll force them to have 2 conventions and try to fight it out. The right thing to do for his party...
• Well - i've never heard hedy called a clap-trap before, but now that you mention it..
• Worse, every dollar they do raise is a dollar the federal party didn't get that year. That will really bite into their already inadequate fundraising efforts...
• He could, i supposed. That would certainly be 'payback' for any of those whom he feels didn't fully support him. He may want to leave iggy or rae a little 'g...
• We've already got the strongest economy in the G8 thanks to harper. And the people support the CPC, both in votes and in donations. The people know dion woul...
• Thank you. To whom are you offering your congratulations tho? It would seem to me like the bloc, the ndp and the cpc all might qualify. Unless you just mean ...
• That's true to a degree - but i also know it was the liberals who got us into that mess in the first place. As a point of history, mulroney didn't actually a...
• Sometimes you get lucky :) But that's where the numbers were pointing.
• So - i guess NONE of the pollsters nailed it this time. Looking at strategic, ekos and nanos, they were all reporting very similar numbers. But in this cas...
• lex writes: "I read somewhere (though I dont have a credible citation) that they borrowed $9 million for this campaign." Here's a clip from the news in jul...
• ROFL - my me my - are you STILL angry i got the numbers right and you were WAAAAY off? :) Do the math - it wasn't just liberal voters staying home. They wen...
• Ahh your usual intelligent thinking :) LOL wow - you're ALMOST as smart as dion's advisers :)
• Ohhh i get lucky pretty darn regular :) With a little intelligence and rational thought you can make your own luck more often than not. You on the other h...
• ROFLMAO - I made only one prediction. I showed some seat forcasts based on the numbers of the day a couple of times but that's different. You might as well b...
• Well of course. THe numbers show quite clearly that it wasn't just that the libs 'stayed home'. Obviously many did, but the libs bled to the ndp and the gree...
• Yeah, and newfoundland confunded the pundits and went solid red, while it was expected the cpc would take at least one seat. But the question here is - how...
• His 'timebomb' would be not to resign until the leadership review. That would hurt the libs. What he SHOULD do for the good of the party is announce his re...
• True enough that newfoundland was a surprise to most, and you did call that one. I thought for sure they'd get one seat there.
• Well - your premise assumes there's one group firmly in control and moving forward. I think their problem right now is that there's so many fractures and a l...
• Well we'll see - i imagine folks are talking to him a lot and will over the weekend, but if he hasn't stepped down by monday or so it will start to get prett...
• Oh shut up :) (heh jk! :) ) Really - before we can even get there we need to debate what's going to happen to the liberal leadership (dion stay on or go? If...
• Not a sad day at all. EVERYONE voted - they either chose to mark a name on a ballot or they chose to abstain and leave the decision to others. If you're st...
• I don't know. I don't really think he was 'set up'. I think he's just actually not much of a leader. Management by 'committee' is never a good idea and he s...
• Well your guesses would have been very accurate i think going strictly by the last numbers we saw from most of the pollsters. You weren't far off of ekos's p...
• Well it's hard to argue with you about the 'safe seats' seeing as they lost 'em all :) I suspect that while harper won't go out of his way to harm newfoundl...
• True. If you don't take the time to vote, if you choose to leave it up to others, you really don't have much right to complain about their choice.
• i don't think that the ndp will look to replace layton - i don't think he's a terribly great campaigner and i don't think he can take 'em much farther but th...
• Well it looks like he's going to resign on Monday. I would GUESS he'll stay on till may as the interim leader. Resign but make it effective in may. But who k...
• I agree to be honest - i think jack's style of podium pounding hellfire and brimstone speeches have moved them about as far forward as they can, they turn of...
• Looks like he'll announce it monday and boy is he sure being pounded in the press. They're saying he acted like a 'lone wolf', ignored advisers, etc. Nasty...
• It matters a great deal to the party, and they are the ones pushing the media. It's a matter of millions of dollars they don't have. If they have to have a...
• Informed writes: "I have been hearing rumors May might resign from Greens to run for the Liberal Party" I have to ask... would we really notice a differenc...
• I don't know how much the electorate has to shift - i think the ndp has to simply present itself in a much different light. As i said - the pulpit pounding "...
• We're not going to get 12 liberal defectors. We might see 2 or 3, but that's it. We might take dosanj's seat away from him in the recount, and both indy's wo...
• Rae has serious baggage in ontario. Very serious. And he can forget the west. But he might be able to do something in quebec. I think he'll win the conve...
• Yes, if they are seen as good governers they will likely get a majority. But really it's quebec that's got to crack, not ontario. The cpc will have to work...
• Oh there are strong liberals out there. But it'll be between rae and iggy and possibly frank. Rae will likely win. He's been working on this since he got i...
• heh - well that's true. And more true now than ever, with their support pretty much concentrated there.
• It's not bad at all. First off - the bloc speaks for quebec more than anyone does. And second, the ndp is in parliament too and they got a decent number of s...
• Quebecer's can and will change their minds. We don't need to sweep quebec. Look at richmond out this way - we took that away from the libs and they won by a ...
• Gohabs - it is you who are out to lunch. If anything, it's more true that when times are tough people turn to the tories. We're the only ones who can clean...
• Actually - if you want to see bigots, look at the liberal party. I believe dion actually called alberta a 'cash cow' he wanted to milk. Nice. Or how about tr...
• Yeah - and probably programs that were wasting money in the first place. Plus - we won't likely see the same kind of brutal downloading of costs to the pro...
• Well... SORT of. But the fact is that the ndp always loses - it's not like they've ever won. If they had a full leadership review after every election it wou...
• Well i don't know how 'middle ground' the libs are these days either for that matter. :) Dion's spending and tax program was larger than the ndp's for heaven...
• Ahh - no he didn't. I'm afraid you're the liar. What he said was he couldn't guarantee future budgets wouldn't include a deficit till we see how deep this ...
• hehehe :) wow. Well - makes about as much sense as anything else you say. We'll see if you're right or still batting zero tomorrow :)
• When were we ever really a 'country' in the sense of one big homogenized group? And only ontario looks at decentralization as being somehow 'against' canad...
• LOL - liberals always have an excuse when they do bad ;) It was adscam last time. The 'truth' is that the libs just have nothing to offer. There's really n...
• Ha! Nonsense - there was nothing 'regional' about meech, it simply attempted to get quebec to buy into a Central gov't by giving it various extra perks and b...
• Lost votes - but gained seats :) Frankly i'll take that trade :) Everyone lost seats because voter turn out was low (except the greens, who really didn't...
• Well said.
• heh! That coallition would scare the bejeezuz out of MOST canadians i think :D My final seat projection was done when nik posted his final numbers, Well b...
• Frankly, all very good advice. But i doubt the libs are listening - like dion they're far to arrogant to see the truth of the matter just yet. You'll have to...
• ahh - but then how would he pay his leadership debts? :) They're saying the party is offering to do that for him at the moment if he steps down :) They're ...
• Well - canadian politicians have it a little easier - most gun owners support SOME gun control based on sensible and practical results. For example, most bel...
• Well - bribery in a larger sense of the term perhaps - or extortion depending on your point of view :) But not really from a 'legal' point of view and as yo...
• ooooo :) good point, they're kind of setting precedent. I wonder how the folks who paid their own bills feel about this.
• Hooooo - did NOT see the iggy defection angle coming :) heh. But now that you mention it, its not outside the realms of possibility. Iggy's always been a lot...
• Well the budget will be out before the may convention - it's usually given in march or april at the latest. I expect they'll let dion play 'fall guy' one las...
• Your last line says it all. What they need and what they want are radically different. They don't just NEED a fundraiser - they need to reconnect with thei...
• Well - that of course is why we're not seeing any really big names come to the table. All the potential leaders either have tonnes of baggage or ounces of ex...
• ROFLMAO :) No we don't - we remember because we were the ones who did it when the party needed it :) Now we're laughing watching the libs come apart at th...
• Larryl - you're assuming the undecided didn't go out to vote. Frankly - the evidence is they did in the last day or two, thus explaining a rather sudden jump...
• it's called democracy. The greens never elected anyone and still are perfectly valid to be on the ballot for an election. Democracy means you don't get to ...
• I don't really care what you recall. The PEOPLE are democratic, not the gov't. If the gov't isn't doing it's job - the PEOPLE kick them out. WE run democracy...
• "What do you think they will use?" My guess is " The red bank of canada'. That's about the only way they'll trick people into giving them any money. :)
• Sometimes you have to get torn down to get rebuilt. The libs haven't figured that out. I suspect they have further to fall before they really sit down and th...
• Is this some sort of comprehension problem for you? Democracy means the PEOPLE get to choose - democracy is NOT taking away peoples choices because you don't...
• Liberals may or may not know anything of democracy - but YOU should! I will say this very slowly for you. I believe the liberal party has essentially betra...
• It had little to do with the population of the west being low. It had more to do with the split on the right between the reform/alliance in the west and the ...
• I was very happy and surprised to see the butt-whupping that Mrs Wong gave Mr chan :) I figured she'd win - but i thought it would be close. And of course ...
• Mr Gohabs has been frothing in his pea soup since the election was called :)
• His 'baggage' is a reality check? Hmm - are you sure you understand what those words mean? :) Regardless he's got a point. The libs ARE short of talent that...
• I have no idea who he is. He changes his name here pretty consistantly. But one thing's always true - he's always pissed :)
• I don't think dosanj would run for leader - but he does support rae. And that's not a combination i'd like to see in cabinet. I hope he loses.
• Well we'll find out about dosanj today - i surely would love to see him get the boot. Plus - if he does then my original election prediction of 144 for the c...
• Well they're both ndp retreds, so safe bet the party would move even further to the left. And both are not competent as financial managers, so not really the...
• Well - i'm thinking 'go habs' might be a bit of a givaway :) Clearly, he's not from calgary.
• My money'd be on the gnat.
• Heartburn? Heh - dude, if anything we're just getting sore stomachs from all the laughing :)
• Yep - judge refused to recount all the ballots. He dropped to 22 votes tho :) So - last time he won by 8000 - this time he won by 22. Yeah - THAT isn't a ...
• No - they held on to one they had by the skin of their teeth :) He dropped 8000 votes from last time - the liberals are pretty much done. I told you what...
• Larryl - you have been dishoneset on this site and gohabs has been VERY dishonest. If you made intelligent, honest posts, people would be more interested in ...
• You don't like "lyin brian" - yet you yourself are less than honest here. And you support a party that's famous for it's lying. But you have no comment abo...
• There's nothing 'sad' about the thought of not sharing a country with the likes of you two. But if anything, the liberals brought us closer to breaking up ...
• Well then you think wrong - there's been far more official corruption by the libs. For example - which party used millions of taxpayers money to illegally fu...
• Liberals are liars bud. And you are a liberal. And i understand your childish and uneducated ramblings just fine. It's like reading a dr Seuss book after g...
• ROFL - more liberal lying from our resident liberal 'insider' :D BTW larryl - the bloc is left wing - so there's a party who 'spews' more seperatist crap th...
• Larryl - have you ever wondered why you have such an aversion to hearing the truth? Do you even KNOW what confederation means? You sure don't seem to. We...
• I'm well aware that lying doesn't bother you. It doesn't bother most liberals. You have said you're a die hard liberal. You 'pretend' and 'play' otherwise,...
• ROFL - ohhh dear, are you still trying to defend your buddy and the sad sorry liberal party? How many seats do the cpc have? Is it more than the 88 you sai...
• The party has been found guilty of taking money illegally, and knowlingly doing so. What money they could prove had to be paid back. When was the cpc or an...
• The PC party sure did die after their 'drubbing'. And the libs are going to die just as surely. The libs are corrupt and are liars, and canada is getting s...
• No larryl - it's not my job to go back and repost all your comments. I'm not playing that game with you - it's way too late for you to backpedal now. You mad...
• Oh? The party didn't have to pay back the money? Once again you lie like a cheap rug. http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.canada/2005-...
• No - to be 'liberal lite' they'd have had to also steal cash from taxpayers.
• Ahhh.... no. That's not how it works :) Democracy does cost money unfortunately :) Hey - Harper gave each opposition leader a chance - the election could ...
• Well - to be fair they're not worried about the parliament on the prisoner voting bill, they're worried because it would require a constitutional change and ...
• True. The libs are living on wishful thinking these days. And the idea that this economic downturn was 'not necessary' is of course the usual nonsense and ...
• mckenna isn't an idiot. I suspect manley will back off too.
• Interesting article today - "By GREG WESTON Debt, donation rules make life tough for wannabe Liberal leaders When the newly re-elected Conservative govern...
• Apperently harper will be changing the laws as well regarding loans. That will make fund raising much harder for the liberal leadership candidates. I think t...
• Well larryl - your first question was adeptly answered by HC of course. It USED to be you could spend any old amount of your own money, but those days are go...
• I think manley will likely bow out. The proposed legislation harper is apperently going to introduce is the final straw. It is sad that the liberal party m...
• Manley has no real infrastructure to raise money on his own 100 dollars at a time - he would have HAD to take out a loan and hope he could pay it back. If th...
• I don't think there's any rule preventing the libs from paying for their candidate's campaign - certanly if there is it would be an internal party rule in th...
• hehehe - wouldn't that be a kick in the teeth for the libs :) But he's more likely to go to the ndp than the CPC.
• But - in such a case it would be the candidate's money. He'd still be capped at putting in only so much for his own campaign.
• No, i don't think they could dissolve a lawful party in canada over the actions of some of it's officers. You can't dissolve a corporation for example just b...
• Sure, for the loan. But then when they went to donate to the actual official campaign it becomes a party donation. If i've got a million dollars, it doesn'...
• hehehehe - slytherins, well that's accurate enough :) As much as it would kill the libs to poach him - i just don't know if it would do the cpc much good. ...
• ohhh i don't think harper will go scalp hunting. I think he's being more subtle and the fact is there's always another election. I think nfldrs are really th...
• Well i commented on this after the election. The libs were not making enough money from all sources to pay the bills last year, and now they've taken a 1.6 m...

CPAC-Nanos Election Tracking CP 34.2, LP 26.7, NDP 21.4, BQ 9.5, GP 8.2 (ending October 12) (2008-10-13)

• They tend to go with momentum, not so much the probable winner, although often the two are the same. For example, in 2004 in the last two days support for ...
• A majority is really what our country needed. But it's unlikely to happen. It IS possible that harper will win a very strong minority, i've been saying 144...
• I read an interesting report a ways back. It said quite simply that we're idiots for arguing over climate change the way we have - in essence the argument wa...
• I would tend to go back to something close to one of my earlier predictions. CPC 144, lpc 72, ndp 35 bloc 55. Although it may be possible that i'm low on t...
• That is a very good question, and it will depend on one factor to a large degree - will it take two or three parties to bring the gov't down? Depending on ...
• Still need money to fight a campaign, and that's something the libs are going to be short of for a while.
• Yeah, harper's been back on his game the last little bit. I suspect it'll still have some effect tho. People will read the papers in the morning and watch th...
• ROFL Gohabs :) weren't you saying 80 seats the other day? And i said 144 - repeatedly. And i'm thinking I'm not going to be off by much. But - as most liber...
• Well for the last two perhaps, but not always. I think the cpc was sort of 'artificially deflated' with some of those comments. I think that people were ma...
• Someone would likely form a coalition at that point.
• Well it was a hypothetical 'tie' - i don't think that's very likely at all :) I think the cpc is going to surprise dion and i don't think it's going to be a...
• They may be the liberals - but fewer people will blindly vote for them. A lot of people vote liberal because they've "always" voted liberal or because "Dad d...
• I don't think it was the drop in seats that 'broke the connection' for the pc - it was the appearance of viable alternatives. The bloc in quebec, the reform ...
• Yeah, they're kind of fringe, but they're growing into a more mainstream fringe :) If they land 8 percent of the vote or whatever, then realistically while...
• Well i think some gov't funding is somewhat appropriate. I don't really like the idea of political parties focusing on fundraising exclusively, it somehow 'c...
• Suedo - we know the truth. The campaign is over. There's no more point your insistence in not telling the truth.
• I don't think he's going to be very wary. The libs suffered a horrible defeat tonite, both in seats but more importantly financially. They won't be looking f...
• Well I called it fairly close. I said CPC - 144 Libs - 76 NDP - 38 Bloc - 50 I feel pretty good about how close i came. To those liberals who said t...
• Hahaha - 143 seats bud :) I missed by one :) Sorry buddy, but your party is a loser and the leader is a loser, and will likely be gone shortly. We were righ...
• Went quiet :) - i was posting every single day :) Told you I was going to be right, I told you what the numbers were going to be, and i was pretty damn clo...

CPAC-Nanos Daily Election Tracking CP 33, LP 27, NDP 22, BQ 10, GP 9 (ending October 11) (2008-10-12)

• The numbers aren't great for the cpc, but it's clear from the polls they're trending upwards. The ndp seems to be strong as well. And that gives harper the...
• Tuesday bud :) it's thanksgiving monday. I know that's probably what you meant, but just a reminder.
• It would make more sense for the libs and green to get behind the NDP. The ndp has the momentum and a more effective campaign - and lets face it, dion didn't...
• I think it'll take more than a couple of years - they weren't paying the bills going into this, they're now servicing about an 8 million dollar loan they too...
• They are within 5 points of the libs bud - they're no 'protest party'. That may have been true in the past but it's certainly not true now. I don't agree wit...
• I think that you're probably right. People dont' see the point in voting lib any more. If you're a leftie - might as well actually vote for a left party. If ...
• There hasn't been much interest in strategic voting. First off - most people dont' even know who's winning and who isn't in their riding, so that makes it ha...
• Age is asked. Yes, they COULD lie, but i doubt many would. It seems unlikely there's a horde of 15 year olds out there desperate to lie their way into a poli...
• well if it were just one poll that'd tend to be true. Or if just the libs had lost one or the cpc had gained one. But with all the polls suggesting a cpc r...
• Most aren't really participating, they're signing up to look at what's happening. And of those - how many are on both facebooks, how many are conservative su...
• Hits mean nothing - any tech will tell you that. Visits mean little either, just more than hits. If i visit the site 10 times that doesn't mean they have a...
• I forgot about that - put me down for 36 percent cpc, 27 percent libs 21 percent ndp, 10 percent bloc, and the rest to 'other like the green and other fringe...
• Well... our navy has boats. THEIR navy has boats. And they had boats before OUR navy did. And harper wanted to buy NEW boats. So, i guess that proves conclus...
• In fairness - i think layton has been pretty true to his platform. He's held the same position from beginning to end. I think it's a pretty terrible position...
• You know - i think you actually get MORE rabidly insane in direct proportion to how badly your party is doing - i think we could just about call the election...
• I thought you were sure the tories would get down to 80 seats? :) :) hehehe BC is VERY strong for the CPC, and the libs are going to lose almost all of thei...
• Sure. And they would have, but harper screwed up . ANd they are likely to be a lot closer to a majority than they were last time - i'm still thinking 144 s...
• Hard to say about the bloc and ndp. The cpc could well actually get more new seats than they do. But - considering that any gain for the ndp is very positive...
• There aren't hundreds of thousands who will contribute. There are barely thousands, and they're giving closer to 200 bucks a peice, not 1000. The liberals ...
• LOL - and gohabs the liberal liar has spoken once more :) I've said 144 seats, and i correct you every time. I think the problem is you're afraid they might...

CPAC-Nanos Daily Election Tracking CP 33, LP 27, NDP 22, BQ 10, GP 8 (ending October 9) (2008-10-10)

• Interestingly, polling data suggests cpc and ndp voters are the two most likely to vote. Could be worse for the libs and better for the ndp/cpc than expected.
• Yeah. The libs peaked and are backsliding. Interestingly, ekos tracks the loss in the west to ALBERTA and manitoba of all places. Manitoba makes sense -the s...
• Other polls are reflecting similar drops in lib support in ontario. I think dion has peaked and is beginning to slide.
• There's a lot of reason for ndp supporters to be happy this election, that's for sure. It looks like no matter what polls you read, at this point there will ...
• There's still 17 percent undecided in nik's polls. Interestingly, the EKOS poll shows a smaller percent undecided - 7 percent undecided and 3 percent who a...
• I don't think i said they won't vote. I think i said they're undecided. 3 percent of the ekos poll folks said they wouldn't vote - the rest probably will (or...
• Yeah - bc's much stronger this time. I have no idea how the teams on the ground are doing in quebec or if they're well organized.
• Pretty much :) And of course in recent years the population of alberta has been greatly increased by other provincial migration, newfs and ontarians etc, wh...
• i agree. thinking the libs are going to win is indeed called wishful thinking.
• Harper will be staying. He's the right man for the right job in the right place. This is exactly the country he's supposed to be in. Dion wants a tax that ...
• The fact is he didn't lie on any levels. He broke one promise. That's not the same. He's actually been the most up front we've had in a long time. Dion has...
• Ok - first off you don't actually take out a mortgage WITH cmhc - you insure your mortgage with them. And that only applies to mortgages where you are putt...
• dude - we know you'd lie about it if they had 1000 volunteers per riding. Don't waste your breath, you haven't been right about anything to date.
• That and the fact that there hasn't been any movement towards it, like a sudden surge towards the libs or anything.
• Actually they're trending up. And the latest strategic poll backs up the ekos poll. The libs are trending down. Dion's shine wore off, and people are looki...
• I think i said 144 :) And we'll know if THAT was accurate on tuesday. But we know you've been wrong several times on things you said. And i haven't lied, ...
• Well of course i have basis for saying that. And in fact it's largely what nik said - i guess you think he's a 'bumpkin' too? I guess you're seeing the shif...
• ROFL - well the vast majority of 'em are predicting the libs will sink lower. :) Sorry about your luck. Now man up a little and quit acting like such a cry...
• Well - not really. The libs have trailed the CPC since day one and continue to do so. While it's possible the libs could surge in the last day, that's lookin...
• Well that's not true. Sometimes i think you just say the most ridiculous thing that pops into your head. If he LOSES the election, there will likely be ser...
• Yeah - because he knows the idea of 'prime minister dion' scares the crap out of people :) The only thing scarier to most than a harper majority is dion in ...
• 'fraid it is :) Harper is moving forward in ontario - all it took there was 4 words ... "finance minister bob rae" :)
• Beats the heck out of rae that's for sure. Flaherty may have served under harris - but bob rae WAS the gov't and destroyed the place. Ontario doesn't want an...
• Do i? Who knows what he'll do. Dion has to be concerned about daggers at his back of course. And of course it's trite and childish to say mulroney 'brought...
• Well you're wrong. Harper is not too right for canada - in fact his 'rightness' has nothing to do with why he didn't take a majority this time. Times chang...
• No, sorry, he's wrong. Someday the so-called 'liberals' (which aren't liberal at all, but actually a party of intolerance) will learn that they don't get t...
• Suuuuure - just like they were with chretien and paul martin right? Don't kid yourself :) Dion will face a leadership challenge regardless. And the 'youn...
• Au contraire. They were completely set to do that till they thought the gov't was cutting arts funding. So - no problems there it would seem. Lets face it ...
• Are you on glue? Martin pushed chretien out the door - it was a bitter battle where chretien had to threaten to BRING HIS OWN GOV"T DOWN at one point to keep...
• Traditionally no - confederation has not worked for bc very well. But we get by. Hasn't done much for alberta or the praries either :) But - like i said. ...
• There's too many to list. But really - we're not like the liberals. We don't 'crow' a prince years before hand. We let people stand on their own merits. An...
• Oh i think probably mackay would likely be a front runner for example. Smart guy, well liked and a lot more 'personable' than harper. Women like him more, an...
• ROFL - that's the liberal spirit! If you don't like what's happening, then a pigheaded unwillingness to look facts in the face will always see you thru :) W...
• I see you've stopped taking your medication again. Mackay never had the job, and the power brokers insisted he make no deal with the alliance. He went AGA...
• No they shouldn't. But they do. Look at williams - bitching for more goodies when he knows the cpc treated newfoundland miles better than anyone has in gen...
• I've got a truck - and i know how much it costs to fill it and how much more it'll be after a new carbon tax. I bet a few people out that way are getting a g...
• I notice you failed to answer my question. Every province has rail. They mostly use diesel too. Can you answer my question - or are you still living in d...
• Really. No boats, no trucks in your province, no tractors or farmers, nothing like that in your province. Hmm. Methinks you're a bit of a fibber. But then ...

CPAC-Nanos Daily Election Tracking CP 33, LP 29, NDP 20, BQ 10, GP 7 (ending October 8) (2008-10-09)

• There's pretty clear indication the CPC slide stopped a couple of days ago - and the libs were left trying to take support from other parties to make up what...
• Yes, ekos is definitely showing more positive action for the cpc than nanos. We'll be seeing a result closer to the 144 seats i originally said if those nu...
• True lex. It is looking that way right now - the bloc will have enough seats to vote with the libs to defeat a motion, and the ndp may not. That would put ...
• It seems like it did register indeed. It stopped the drop in it's tracks, and now they're growing stronger in the west again according to Nanos and most of t...
• You know bc alberta and sask are paying INTO equalization, and bc and alberta together have had something like 6 years of equalization in the last 100? Sur...
• Well that's the question. It seems to have sprouted now that the 'shine' from dion is wearing off. I notice reporters are starting to ask dion detailed quest...
• Sure. So do we. In fact, in case YOU hadn't noticed bc and alberta traditionally pay MORE per capita. So i guess ontario won't be paying anything if they l...
• Less than a week now - 7 days and closing. It's going to be a nail biter :)
• Inter provincial Immigrants from the east i'd expect :) :) :) Plus - realistically it would be wrong to assume the other 50 percent is happy with confeder...
• I offered it as an example of one of the many reasons someone might vote ndp instead of cpc or liberal. As opposed to being happy with confederation or the f...
• So did i apperently - it's actually 5 days and closing :)
• What numbers are YOU reading? Nanos has the libs at 26 percent in the west and the cpc at 50 with a 5.1 margin of error. Ekos has them far ahead as well. N...
• Layton will gain seats - again. His party isn't likely to turf him when election after election he builds their strength. Harper and supporters always knew...
• I said nothing about those provinces. I was responding to Dgood's comment that if the west left confederation we should pay back the transfers. My point was ...
• Well that's just pure nonsense. For well over 100 years westerners have considered the praries and bc to be the west. And as to there being no support, tha...
• Quite true - king asked to disolve parliament and teh GG told him he had to quit instead and offered the opposition the chance to form gov't. King ran in the...
• And thats' a big factor in western alienation. Quebec wants more arts so the west has to pay more in taxes to fund it? Why? If they want it they can pay for ...
• The H&K is not working right with regional numbers. Sorry if it got your hopes up :) It's broken. It only does national accurately. I'm sorry to burst you...
• No, this is my home. I doubt that myself or the 50 percent of westerners who agree with me are intersted in going anywhere. If anything - we'll ask others to...
• I think the kind of help you may need probably requires something a little more 'professional' than what I can offer :) Of course it doesn't need to be a we...
• It doesn't work right on a regional level. :) It's broken. Go read up on it :) Sorry to raise your hopes, but that's the way it is.
• It's not even a close to three way race in bc. It dipped, but it's climbed back up significantly according to both local polls and ekos, who has a much highe...
• Yeah - just watched that on tv. Not a very good moment for dion.
• I'm telling you bud, no word of a lie, the regional projection algorithms are broken. They don't produce accurate results. It's only useful for national resu...
• ROFL - ok, well we'll see on election day won't we ;)
• There are numerous regional differences. Take some of the more glaring for example, like the gun registry. It's hated out here and is HORRIBLE law. Yet we go...
• ROFL - Well i'll give you this - you've take the liberal mantra of 'Keep telling the lie often enough and hope it comes true' to a new level :) You realize ...
• Quite possibly. If he gets roughly what they had before he MIGHT hold on. Or at least he'll fight to stay on. If he loses a lot of seats he will probably b...
• There is nothing stupid or hypothetical about "What would you have done differently'. Dion is critisizing how harper handled things. Fine - what would YOU ...
• Two day old data. EKOS is showing the libs have slipped in bc over the last two days dramatically. Harpers speeches here have had a strong impact. I think ...
• LIBERALS ADMIT GREEN SHIFT WON"T REDUCE EMISSIONS http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Manitoba/2008/10/10/7038881-sun.html Well there you go. I think realistic...
• Yeap, and i've said so before. That was definitely a broken promise. They had their reasons and the libs agreed with it, but it was still a broken promise. ...
• Ekos has them up today as well - we'll see what nik's got to say.
• Well actually that's not a majority, that's just shy of a majority. What we're seeing is extreme voter volatility. Ekos does have an unusually large sample...
• Yeah - but he never looks good when he's whining.
• I don't know what to think about the green vote. It can utterly dry up, or it could remain strong if people don't really like any of their other choices. N...
• Lets face it - his numbers don't add up for more wealthy folk either. Even middle class - as was reported today in the w sun, a little math shows he's grossl...
• Nonsense. He's been very sensitive to eastern issues as well. Now imagine ralph klein had absolute power over ontario with no fear of being kicked out of o...
• Dion's been saying for over a year they were 100 percent ready for an election. And he spend all summer campaigning on the green shift. If he didn't think th...
• And unfortunately the income tax cuts DON'T offset the increased costs. Dion doesn't factor in things like the fact that even you lex will pay more for the g...
• I missed the whole contest thing - were do you see that?
• It's possible. Tho i'm not sure that those current 'green' supporters who don't vote green will necessarily vote at all. The green vote has done some weird t...
• Apparently not - it says 'registration closed'. I'll poke around and see if it'll let me somehow.
• Is it percentage of seats or of popular vote?

CPAC-Nanos Daily Election Tracking CP 33, LP 29, NDP 20, BQ 11, GP 7 (ending October 7) (2008-10-08)

• Let me guess - this is rsharp yet again abusing a board he's already been kicked from several times. Which i guess shows what we can expect from the liber...
• Sigh. I KNEW she was a liar early on. She had no business being in the debates. She's just more liberal scum under a different name.
• I don't know - i didn't even see the original comments. Personally i've moderated boards before and i usually give warning. But that is not for ME to decid...
• Apperently only if i call her religious scum. :) Well the difference i guess is i'm referring to her specifically and her actions, whereas others may have ...
• Well again as i mentioned - i'm not calling all liberals 'scum' - i'm refering to her and her actions specifically. I think that's probably a little differen...
• Yeah. But he won't. Dion's idea of 'intervention' is to slap a crippling carbon tax on us at one of the worst possible financial times and to hold meetings w...
• Lex - this is about the 5th thread on this. It's already been established that suedo is the liar. Harper kept his promise, the fisheries is hung up in the ...
• Your leader welcomes it - so i daresay you really have no right to critisize.
• Naw - dion' had bought the store out before he got there. Lets see - Dion flip flopped on afghanistan, the gst, having an election, his promise to start vo...
• Oh grow up. None of that is true in the slightest. Hell, dion gave him a majority last time, never showed up to vote. And ontario's industrial base will suff...
• Dirty sneaky underhanded tricks like telling the truth? It's clearly rsharp and he clearly expected people to know that by bringing up the issue again. And ...
• Oh if harper lost the election we wouldn't be governed by liberals for long. Dion really is every bit as incompetant as he looks - the economy would go to he...
• no - i was talking about dion. And harper got no support for anti-floor crossing legislation .. till suddenly it worked against the liberals instead of 'for'...
• And give up his job as PM? He's still winning the election.
• Harper didn't get a lot of support for those changes, and unfortunately when you're in a minority gov't that means you can't do everything you want. He als...
• The beginning of the end of what? His job? I don't think so. He'll get at least one more crack at the can, and he'll have been prime minister for likely abou...
• I have no reason to be embarrased - dion isn't my party's leader :) And i have no reason to lie, Dion is embarrasing enough for the libs with the truth.
• Here: http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4549 And you'll note mcguinty ISN"T supporting the green tax and refuses to endorse dion.
• You say a lot of things. I'm sure by tomorrow you'll be predicting 110 seats in ontario. Even tho there aren't that many :)
• I think you've been reading 'the grapes of wrath' too much. There's no doubt times were tough. But food wasn't the problem. Money was. As one man of the ...
• Very little. In fact, alberta has recieved very little federal money at all aside from the medical transfers and such that everyone gets (and pays into). And...
• Not really. They get crop insurance, but they pay for that. And of course unlike eastern canada, western farmers cannot look for their own markets. They MU...
• Do you mean 'has alberta cashed in insurance that it paid for for crop failure?" Sure - sometimes. That's why they paid for it. I got money from ICBC when m...
• We don't get much from the feds - and anything we do get is dwarfed by the huge amounts we pay back. Unlike you, who simply take.
• Oh you want to include things outside equalization? Hmmm - how about the fact that until the cpc got elected - our shipbuilding industry here went without ...
• No i mean YOUR freebies. The gov't regularly puts shipping contracts especially for naval vessles in the Atlantics - never bc till the CPC got in.
• Sure - the west's aerospace industry gets screwed over for the east lots too. But that doesn't change the fact that YOU are also taking more than you give ...
• You VOTED for that federal mismanagement so it was pretty much YOUR fault. And it was definitely gov't inaction that made the problem worse - the feds refu...
• There is NOTHING natural about encouraging people to vote for a party other than your own. It's an affront to the idea of democracy. Elf - what if i starte...
• They WERE a legit party. But i'll tell you - the provincial green party here in bc (which i actually respect) would NEVER endorse the ndp in the last minute....
• Trust me - I label a lot of liberals 'scum' and most of them are men :) You should have seen me during the sponsorship scandal. :) Scum was about the nicest...
• ANOTHER 'mistake'? Hmm. Well fair enough if true - where exactly did you see this retraction? I read most of the papers this morning and didn't see it.
• I don't think she's a very good leader at all. Good leaders don't endorse other parties. You mentioned the paper recanted and said she never said that, but i...
• Nik is definately a good pollster. It really tends to be impossible to say who is the 'best' - they all have a margin of error and if they are consistantly w...

CPAC-Nanos Daily Election Tracking CP 34, LP 31, NDP 18, BQ 11, GP 6 (ending October 6) (2008-10-07)

• Dion Plagerized speech. This is typical. As you can see in the story here, and watch on the associated link, dion himself stole 31 percent of his speech fr...
• Well it is pretty disgusting when you see someone make a big stink about 'morals' for doing something they themselves do. But that's the liberals isn't it - ...
• I would be shocked and stunned if tomorrows poll is the final outcome - that would be the very first time that's happened in a long time. It almost never goe...
• Well it would be history making if it did. The last two times there were major swings at the last minute and i'd be very surprised if that wasn't the case th...
• Yeap. Didn't quote his source. Just scoffed it. Very liberal. Here's dion's speech. As you can see - NO citation at all, dion just out and out stole his wo...
• I don't see anyone called waynorth posting on the subject. Here's the speech tho, as you can see he did in fact steal most of it. http://www.ec.gc.ca/medi...
• I don't think it's a big deal. IN fact - if you read my post that's exactly what i said - i didn't think it was a big deal for harper, i don't think it's a b...
• The opposition runs on fear. Libearls have always tried to use fear as a primary plank in their elections. There's a secret agenda, watch out! Oooooo - we'r...
• HD loves the libs, and consistently year after year and election after election posts them higher than most others and higher than the end results are. Hell ...
• Yes - whereas in contrast your reply was simply full of intelligent rebuttal :)
• The libs are definitely doing badly in the west, there's little doubt. They will lose seats. But the fact is there aren't many seats here for them to lose. T...
• THe other fact is, even the libs aren't sure dion's plan actually WOULD reduce emmissions. In fact one liberal said so just the other day. And that is why di...
• Dion caught fire all right - and burned to the ground :) He scares people worse than harper.

CPAC-Nanos Daily Election Tracking CP 34, LP 29, NDP 20, BQ 11, GP 6 (ending October 5) (2008-10-06)

• Why do you feel the need to lie so much? The tories are exactly where they were yesterday. On the other hand - does look good for the libs. They actually D...
• no, probably not. The libs would probably win. It depends of course on how well the other parties did.
• I think that the green vote was real enough early on, but as has happened in the past it's bled back to the parties it came from - in this case the liberals....
• Why do you lie? I have no idea - go ask your mother. The libs have appeared to have topped out. If the figures are accurate, they've been at that for 4 da...
• Well there is a poll that's doing just that. The strategic poll tracks only the 'battleground' ridings. You can find it on ctv's website.
• LOL - well boys we're still winning and you're still losing :) so we're not too bitter :) But yes there is no doubt the race has become tighter. At this poi...
• Of course it's been all over the place - what else would you expect from a 'battleground' riding? Yeash. And why would it 'definately' be way off on election...
• Ten days ago harper hadn't made two critical mistakes. Fortunes can change. Of course - they can change back just as fast. I see today dion got caught havi...
• oh we've caught your little fibs several times now. I think it's too late to pretend you don't lie :) And as i recall didn't you say the cpc would be at 88 ...
• Dion is still losing. You're aweful proud of a guy who isn't going to win :)
• ROFL - i'm whining that we're winning? Yeah - its just terrible that we're going to beat you still! Boo hoo hooo :)
• Well i think you nailed it right on the head gordo, tho i wouldn't say it was just the one comment about the economy, tho in a way it sums up how people took...
• No, that's just dumb. Of course he's got a plan, and the plan has been working. But people dont' feel that he takes the current economic crisis as seriousl...
• Well come on now gordo - they're NOT at 30 percent in any of the polls. If you put them at 15 percent they're going to lose as well, but they're not there :)...
• Liberals dont' believe in free speech unless they're the ones talking :)
• that's pretty much the same plot as we've had for 5 days - not much 'thickening'.
• No - as long as he wins he's not dead meat. Not this election anyway. the libs will still be crippled financially and that was true from day one. But it's ...
• Whereas you started out with hate writing day one gohabs? Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, pot. :)
• You must mean because they take brown envelopes under the table, because the books they turned into elections canada say they're broke. They had to borrow he...

CPAC-Nanos Daily Election Tracking CP 34, LP 30, NDP 19, BQ 10, GP 7 (ending October 4) (2008-10-05)

• True. The next day or two will tell us if its a trend or a blip. Sadly ekos doesn't track on the weekends so we can't look to see if they reflected any kind ...
• I've never trusted harris decima, and i'm not going to start now just because the results are 'good'. Ekos is usually pretty good and strategic, but ekos d...
• well that is the most likely result at this point, but i don't know that we can say much from this poll. Another day or two and we'll know if the lib numbers...
• Ummm - harper's personal numbers were up nine points today. And up yesterday. Tho to be honest i don't think they were really up - i htink 3 days ago when ...
• For a change - gohab actually said something that might make sense and has some basis in fact :) THere's a real chance that the green vote may in part move ...
• Well first off you have to understand that not all polls are polling the same thing. Some include 'leaners' - what people intend to vote even if they havne'...
• True. The fastest way to create a recession or depression is to insist there's going to be one.
• Dion only cares about getting into power. This is a man who's trying to introduce 'plagiarism' as a serious election issue. He doesn't care at all about doin...
• None of our politicians are telling the 'truth'. Or they all are depending on how you choose to look at it. They're all 'spinning' it. The liberal gov't ha...
• ROFL - ahh that must be liberal math - just like a nine point rise shows he's 'still falling'.
• harper's score is about 98 over all - i think that's from a high of 108 or so. But you claimed he's "Still falling". So - if he's gone up two days in a row, ...
• Which of course is itself a lie. He has - they just don't want people to think he has or admit it's been working so well. Which is of course very liberal.
• No lie involved - there's no recession in canada. Even dion doesn't suggest there is. Dion is suggesting that there's going to be in the future. Amusingly,...
• Riding by riding is done by EVERY party that's got money. The lib stratagists were on tv talking about this the other day. They just don't make it public. ...
• No - i mean libs are lying like they did about stealing people's money to fund their campaign. Or like dion did when he said he was against the income trust ...
• and there's no american's near bagdad right? :)
• Sure there is. They frequently use various polling firms to do it, all internal. And it was you that said they don't do riding by riding polling - now you'...
• I'll chalk his numbers up with "the gun registry will only cost 2 million dollars'.
• Most people define a leader by two important criteria - the ability to make an effective plan, and the ability to execute it. The fact is harper is very in...
• Could just as easily be ndp attacking the libs - more their style. :) Methinks thou dost protest too much :) We're still winning. Maybe if we were losing, b...
• Riiiiight. Dion's called him a liar, tried to blow 'plagerism' into a major issue, and the libs ran nothing but attack ads against him during the last 2 camp...
• Naw. That's not an issue. Harper and obama agree on a lot of platform issues, there won't be any bad blood. Harper moved fast to deal with that crap, and oba...
• I believe they came in third last time ekos was second and i can't remember who was first - a good showing for election prediction to be sure but not brillia...
• Hmm - well that's not appropriate. I'm not even sure that's legal - i think they're supposed to respond no matter what even if it's just a form letter like '...
• Well - we all know it's going to boil down to the same thing - the libs are going to beg voters from the other left leaning parties to rally behind them, the...
• Yeah - chop of niks stuff at the end there and it's pretty flat line for everybody actually, when you thik about the margin of error. Pretty bloody boring ...
• Oops - got that wrong then. I knew ekos was second for one of them, but i thought election prediction was behind them in 2004.
• Suuuuure they are :) And i'm absolutely positive that running 10 points or better behind while holding on to even 'better' stuff was dion's plan all along...
• Ummm - YOU brought it up.
• 85 would be pretty accurate i think. You ARE talking about the western provinces obviously - add about another 60 to that for the east.
• Well it's hard to argue with such an expert on the subject :)
• Plagiarism is in no way shape or form an issue for anyone who isn't desperate for there to be an issue. It was more of a chance to sneak in a reminder that h...
• actually - the current seat projections from election prediction are saying 118 seats in the bag with a lot of other possibles. Check it out yourself. The ...
• hehehe - keep dreaming bud :)
• Watching political ads? No, not sleazy - a little disappointed because i know all these crap ads from the libs cpc and ndp actually work, which is a bit of...
• ROFL :) well that's just about the weakest effort i've seen on here in a bit :) It's not hard to control either - chretien kept things well under control an...
• Well whatever the final trend is (cpc lib or ndp), it usually does take place in the last 2 days or so before the election so after next friday may be possib...
• hmm. Well that's just no good. If he wins again you should drop me a note and we'll get a bunch of people to write in to him and harper saying better is expe...
• Well election prediction puts it at 118 in the bag for the cpc, 71 for the libs, and 54 too close to call. When niks numbers come out today i'll let you k...
• Well those aren't my numbers - that's election prediction. Which a fellow liberal of yours reminded me was relatively accurate last election. If you use th...
• Bud - seriously, every version of leadership falls into that generalization. It's not 'superficial'. It's just simplistic - and i made it so for this discu...
• And the party ISN"T behind him! You don't see the Quebec wing of the CPC stabbing harper in the back. You don't see layton's people coming out criticizing hi...
• Well you should always get involved with the riding association between elections and make sure they're keeping him in line. But if he aint' responding to ...
• True about income trusts - thats why the other parties voted for it. Remember - he could not have done that without their support. And yeah - danny's a whin...
• Oh, i don't think harper's afraid of anything. Remember- he was the one a year ago who sounded the alarm bells - and the other parties accused him of being '...
• Well, you're never going to see the ndp in opposition with a liberal gov't. So that's out. And the libearls won't be calling any elections in the next 6 mo...
• ROFL - no, i mean that if there's sudden movement at the end - we won't see it in a 3 day running poll :) And the only 'surge' dion has had lately is in th...
• Well 'reasonable' generally means acheivable, and while one might argue he could have done better the whole 'shoot for the starts and hit the moon' thing is ...
• LOL - yeah, i'm wetting my pants :) Sounds like you're getting so desperate you're near delusional :) Hey - the worst harper could possibly do is still win ...
• you cannot have an ndp opposition with a liberal gov't. It doesn't work. The only way the libs can get a win is if the ndp is very weak. And given harper's...
• Nobody who votes liberal truly believes ethics and integrity are important. If they did - they'd vote ndp or cpc.
• I understood you meant next election, and thats possible. You just can't have a liberal gov't with an ndp opposition. The libs can't get enough votes in the ...
• I doubt it will have a major impact. It's probably necessary at this point to counter the idea that there somehow isn't a plan. There is and he's explained i...
• Dion's printing monopoly money - or doesn't intend to keep them. Layton will actually have the money and will keep his promises - but he will do so by taxi...
• It isn't disrespectful at all. Before 93, it was common for parties never to release a platform document at all. He's stated his intentions quite clearly. ...
• Sure - start! By all means start! But - you don't start by inflicting a crippling tax on an economy that has no money to lend to start ups as it is. Harp...
• I'm pretty confident those voters are going to need jobs to pay for their food and mortgages and such. Jobs come from corporations. If the economy isn't he...
• If you'd prefer the use of the word 'acheivable' - feel free to substitute it. I used to the word to mean 'within reason'. It is reasonable to expect that ...
• Two parter due to the proofs you requested. Now - the 'we won't abstain' thing: Lets take a step back. This all started with the throne speech. Here's wh...
• Ask him - but it was excluded. The atlantics were given a choice - take the rather generous package which lived up to the idea it was excluded. OR - take...
• Well that's simply not true - they were given the choice up front. That is fact. It was later sweetened to switch back and forth at will. And you were the ...
• And he did. He did remove them. he also offered a new OPTIONAL formula that included part of them - but gave much more money. The simple truth is that th...
• A reminder - i didn't say 'easy' - i said achievable. It's got to be something he can actually achieve - then don't accept anything less There are several ...
• That's a pretty spurrious argument. We don't know dion won't raise the gst. We don't know that dion will implement the carbon tax, or that it will be reven...
• Well let me put it this way - can newfoundland still collect equalization payments today without the oil being considered in the equation? (pssst- the answ...
• I think you'd have to be somewhat blind to fail to understand how harper scores well on leadership. It would appear more likely that you don't understand t...
• The details are not important if you simply are looking at whether or not the plane can fly. You see it flying - therefore sufficient lift is being produced....
• If you were delusional enough to think that removing non-renewable natural resources from the equasion meant that they'd also remove INCOME TAX, etc from the...
• The only one that is relevant is revenue that comes directly from natural resources. Not income or property that's a result of such actvity. It is Highly d...
• At no time in history did harper promise to exclude ANYTHING but the direct revenue from oil. The rest like income tax etc is simply not relevant. And ther...
• No sweat bud, we all have days like that :) Your first point - We blogged it here on nanos of course during the debate. The first words out of his mouth wh...
• I have read the letter - you are on glue. You would have to be insane to think that resource revenue would include anything but direct revenue collected by...
• Per capita - you are the largest recipients. Sorry. And it was YOU who brought up income taxes and the like. Not me. Go back and read your own posts. Har...
• Bull. Here's proof that you don't tell the truth - http://www.fin.gc.ca/FEDPROV/eqpe.html Read down to the equalization payments per capita- NL 1,781 ...
• Suedo - you are on glue. The rules that apply to you apply every bit as much in bc - except we've been denied permission to develop oil offshore AT ALL. We h...
• Ok - lets start back down here so we can read each others posts. I said atlantic canada got more than anyone. And lo and behold you do - FAR more than most...
• See below - there's no room left here.
• Well offshore resources ARE federal resources. You can argue the sun should rise in the west, but guess where it's coming up tomorrow. And i didn't exactly...
• It is a blatant lie to suggest that harper ever promised anything other than to remove direct provincial revenues from natural resources. And of course the...
• Alberta was never fed on saltfish bud. And almost a billion a year buys a hell of a lot of fish. What about when alberta provided your unemployed with jobs...
• Of course there is. Hell that's even recognized internationally. And it was recognized in canada BEFORE you voted to join confederation. So suck it up. No ...
• His commitment was to make sure that the atlantics would have the chance to develop their oil, and would ensure that oil was removed from the equalization pa...
• What other provinces get to pick and choose what formula to use as they see fit? What other provinces get as much money as you do per person? What other prov...
• It ain't yours, never was. Sorry. You'd have to form your own country to do that. Which your free to do btw - go on, seperate. Pay your own way for a chang...
• Really. Alberta's isn't removed. BC's isn't removed. Funny how THAT worked isn't it. Stealing isn't harper's word - it's mine. You take from others and don...
• You mean there wasn't one before alberta actually started generating money for oil? Well true, not that that helped alberta. But they DID rape alberta prett...
• We're not stealing anything. Equalization payments are what WE give to YOU. Not what we take from you. You're the one doing the taking here. You didn't b...
• Harper did keep his word. He said he would take non renewable resources out of the equalization formula and he did. You can also choose a different package t...
• Harper was a Progressive Conservative. Not a lib. And he did remove oil from the formula. You don't need to include it unless YOU want to. Pretty simple....
• In the west? The breadbasket of confederation? Are you joking? We fed ourselves buck. On good prairie grain and beef and on Pacific fish. And if times were...
• Sure he did. Do you need to use oil in the calculation if you don't want to? No. It's as simple as that. Poof gone. Perhaps you mean that technically mart...
• Once again - see below. Too crowded to read.
• Continued from above once again. Harper was NOT a liberal. Why do you insist on lying? The closest he came was being a liberal supporter in his youth! H...
• Dude - we fed ourselves. We had the largest farms, oceans full of fish and best hunting in the world - but you think we fed ourselves on salt fish. You are...
• Sure - We will remove non-renewable natural resource revenue from the equalization formula to encourage the development of economic growth in the non-renew...
• No - you did not suedo. And you just proved you're dishonest completely. You said that - i said 'per capita you do' - you repeated that no, it was quebec. I ...
• No - we didn't eat salt fish. My god, you are delusional. Post me a reference to where newfoundland fed the starving west with free salt fish. Otherwise, I...
• No - oil isn't included, unless you specifically want it to be. Secondly, harper specifically mentioned oil, and danny seemed happy with having only oil ta...
• Well if your argument is that he isn't going to listen to ALL the experts based on his political preferences, then really - what's the point of the meetings ...
• You have lied several times. Including your insistence you didn't say quebec got more per capita - you did. Go back and read - it's there for all to see. ...
• The whole world did not eat salt fish you lunatic. And before the oil sands our economy was great - i live in bc. Alberta's economy before oil was the sa...
• he also specifically mentioned oil - and danny hasn't been bitching about mining. As i understand it much mining activity is already exempt. That which isn...
• Agreed - Newfoundland stands to gain multi billions more than it would have under that promise. OR - they can choose the promise if they like. Nice to have...
• What about saskatchewan? They vote conservative, not liberal, they're a have province now and they dont eat much salt fish either.
• about the same time i heard a newfoundland premier say it. They take less per capita than any atlantic province. I don't particularly appreciate quebec's r...
• Same thing they always ate. They had no money - not no food.
• Me? none. But what i can tell you is that western canada has paid far far far more back into equalization than it ever took by leaps and bounds. The atla...
• Why are YOU receiving it? And at about twice the rate they are? I sure as hell haven't heard YOU say you should be off it. As near as I can tell you inten...
• My family was there for it - my history is quite fine thanks. You need a salt-fish detox. It's gone to your brain.
• None. Everything we've gotten we paid back with interest. The west gets virtually nothing from the feds. Take for example the railroads. Promised to BC for...
• I have no problem 'dealing' with quebec - but it's not a quebec person on here right now screaming about how unfairly they're treated. It's you. And whatev...
• They're paid for by crop insurance - which is paid for by the farmers. THis is why we are "have" provinces. We take less money than we send. Really at th...
• Well then you were pretty stupid to keep voting for liberal gov'ts weren't you. And it doesn't sound like you've gotten any smarter. Having wiped out your ...
• You mean there's nothing 'equal' about equalization? I agree - we pay, you take. Forever if you have your way apperently. Doesn't sound equal to me at all.
• Sure i can think past one election. What's your point? And the current right wing gov't in sask is doing pretty darn well for the province. Do you think ...
• No - the fisheries were destroyed by the libs. They were the ones who first started to interfere, they were the ones who were in power most of the time, they...
• Truth bothering you?
• Bull crap. More of your lies - and that's why you deserve to suffer without your fish and without help - you can't even be honest about what happened.
• The opposite is true. We paid MORE to ship east. Eastern products shipped west were cheaper. That opened up the western markets to eastern producers, while p...
• You're somebody's kiddo, that's for sure. If you WERE mine i'd be pretty ashamed. And i'm sorry - your information is innacurate. Again. Prior to 1897 - ...
• It's gone up since they took over. If the carbon tax will have no effect - then why bother with it? If it doesn't hurt people, they won't want to change th...
• Actually it has - which shows you aren't really following things. The carbon tax won't change anything positively - look at dion for proof - he decided it ...
• For christ sake whiley - nobody can even read what you're writing any more. I'll post my response below. Start a new thread if you want to keep talking.
• I'll respond to your comment above here because i can't read your responses. I'm not holding a grudge against anyone. I'm pointing out a simple truth. An...
• Really. So ... you're saying the rate applied to more products than grain being shipped east? Or you're saying it was not the federal gov't that requested it...

CPAC-Nanos Daily Election Tracking CP 35, LP 28, NDP 19, BQ 10, GP 8 (ending October 3) (2008-10-04)

• Nonsense. The liberals used to be more centrist but that certainly hasn't been true for a while. They're proposing a spending increase and tax increase lar...
• Probably true. His only real mistake, and a costly one. Mind you he's doing much better in ontario than i'd have expected. Probably still won't get a major...
• There was clearly a 'spike' a night or so ago, and i suspect that's going to drop off in the next couple of days. The problem for the liberals in the west...
• I have to say westerner is right - the libs are no where near the center right now. Dion moved them pretty far to the left. Harper is quickly gaining the c...
• Many elements of it are definately more 'left wing'. Consider for example that liberals have called the 'green shift' a 'wealth shift', claiming it's the g...
• The center isn't a relational issue - if all the parties are left wing parties that doesn't mean the one that's LEAST left is somehow right wing. THe cente...
• 38 i think. No matter how i run the numbers - 38 is still damn near as low as you can go and still gain a majority. It may be possible with 37 if all your st...
• I think as a rule when people talk about right wing left wing and center politics - those are pretty well established positions. That would be like saying 'r...
• I think the greens started out as a blend of right and left ideology, but i think they've kind of drifted to the left. Looking over their current policies th...
• Not by much - billions of new taxes and spending on an environmental platform and wealth shift? Low jail time for criminals? Major poverty reduction? Gun ban...
• Well true - but i think more importantly it keeps confederation from breaking up. When ottawa tries to enforce 'one size fits all' solutions, it creates a ...
• A fair point. And even more true this time. The last time the liberals were reluctant to call an election due to a fractured party in part, but mostly due to...
• Well in that case even a few of the libs should be able to get a few of the answers :)
• Well - not really 40. If they hit 39 percent with the current conditions it'll be a comfortable majority with the current splits. . I just don't think they'...
• Aww gohabs - are your feelings hurt again? Poor little guy - i'm sorry your party isn't going to win this particular election, but when you grow up you'll le...
• zab - that makes no sense in the slightest. First off - if there are no established canadian definitions of 'right' and 'left' - then how do you know the o...
• Right now - about 75 - 80 percent reject the liberal ideas. What does that say about the liberals? :)
• How petty is it to try to hinge your argument on whether center is spelled center or centre? Honestly - is that the BEST argument you can make? And if you ...
• And what exactly would the problem be if the feds raised less tax and the provinces raised more tax? We still pay the same tax. So that would be terrible - w...
• If that were true - why are there almost as many ndp supporters as lib? And the libs have no chance of being elected to gov't this time around either. The nd...
• Well don't be so silly - the idea of federal spending is to provide services that have been vested by the provinces as federal responsibilities. Like the mil...
• True - there IS a chance the libs will slip further by that point i suppose. There's a real threat they'll bleed off to the ndp. That's why dion is focusin...
• Are you serious. You think my spelling represents where my focus is. Rather than, for example, where my spell checker was made? My spelling without a spell...
• the format allowed for that more this time. The attacks against martin were pretty vigorous last time as you'll recall - layton said 'lend us your votes' bec...
• No it is not. It is ideologically based and we measure the policies AND parties against it. Philosophy is somewhat different - but the schools of philosoph...
• That's simply not true. An idea exists whether it's measured or not. Or regardless of what 'scale' is used to do the measuring. Ideas are completely indepe...
• Perhaps in his country at the time - but not now but he's still considered an extreme example of right wing thinking by our standards today. Which doesn't fi...
• I see - so when asked to come up with even one credible source for your suggestion you come back with that. Just figured out you were wrong did you. Well y...
• ahh - another intelligent response. Still no luck finding anything eh? Too bad.
• Less! Slower! (should appeal to the libs out there :) ) hey - don't get mad at me, next time do your homework :)

CPAC-Nanos Daily Election Tracking CP 35, LP 30, NDP 18, BQ 10, GP 9 (ending October 2) (2008-10-03)

• If the libs got a spike yesterday then it'll be 2 or 3 days till it drops off. Weird tho - ekos (another decent poller) and a few others didn't record any ...
• Rolling poll - it may be hard to tell for a few days.
• hehehe - well i'll let you have your illusions for a bit :) but i'm afraid there's no where near that kind of movement for the libs.
• Yeah, basically. And - it's accurate 19 times out of 20. Which means they do expect that once in a while they'll get a 'flyer' so to speak, where the results...
• I rarely trust harris decima. but ekos shows strength for the cpc too and them i tend to listen to. Sometimes you get little bounces or you get weird res...
• Yeah - based on the polls out there i'm still thinking about 144 - 150 for the cpc, about 70 plus seats for the libs and somewhere in the mid thirty's-ish fo...
• Nobody takes that big a hit - even the famous mulroney/turner debate took a few days to settle in before the libs started to crash. Dion would have had to ...
• Well - traditionally they don't say that unless they're within the spread directly - for example while technically a three point spread could mean that a sco...
• Heh - i'm afraid not. Only nanos is recording that kind of jump. All the other respectible pollsters are not. (and i'm not including harris decima). But ...
• LOL - so has ekos and others. :) When you get 400 person samples you get the odd 'off night' or flyer. the fact of the matter is that for those numbers to ...
• Their voter base tends to have a lot of 'activist' types - that type actually likes that kind of thing.
• ipsos and ekos are actually pretty talented and both came in well in the last elections. The ekos numbers are particularly interesting because of the huge sa...
• No, as opposed to parties that prefer civil debate. You'll notice i'm not insulting you, or the like. You get your say - i get to respond - you get to resp...
• Actually - given the regional numbers he actually will still walk away with a few more seats even with today's numbers (different voter concentrations). Bu...
• Awwww - looks like another liberal with hurt feelings :) I'm not blindly loyal to anything. Every thing i say is backed up by fact and is verifiable by prac...
• Yeah. And the truth is it always takes 2 or 3 days for the 'effect' to shake out. Harper will benefit from the english debate - dion did well in french whi...
• Dion didn't do well in last nights debate. That's pretty clear. But i doubt that had any influence on the polls today, that's for sure. In fact, on the who...
• Lol - easy there informed :) you're likely to get 'green shifted' by someone if you're not careful :D :D
• One ounce per DAY - the bottle says one ounce of cough syrup per DAY, not per hour! We've talked about this before :) And you're thinking of celine dion.
• Well that's just silly. They were prediction no such thing. Nanos on the 21'st predicted 37.0 28.1 17.7 for the cpc libs and ndp respectively, Strategic...
• I can see where it's annoying to actually have to watch the libs get their butts kicked all right. It would be better for dion if nobody knew he had no chanc...
• Only if you have some done up on a bullet proof vest.. :)
• No - just facts. And of course - if they were bias then anyone could produce a set of facts showing that and presenting a counter argument. The fact that y...
• It is more likley the other way around. Especially seeing as none of the other pollsters are detecting any 'changing dynamics' yet. Nor would they normally...
• Well - he looked decent in the french debate, but in the english debate he was clearly not prime ministerial at all. He looked a little like a deer in the ...
• Apperently it isn't. One day on nanos and no other polls showing that. But hey - if it makes you feel good for a day go ahead :) dion's done in just over a...
• Now now - lets not be nasty. It's a fair question and it deserves a response - but first off i haven't been 'swearing' to anything. I've said from the begi...
• That's pretty bloody rich coming from a party that's been trying to sell 5 year old speech swiping as a 'major political issue' :) At least this happened D...
• Well hopefully when the economy improves you can afford some better eyewear gohabs :)
• Well of course he will. He will have a mandate to do the things he promised in the election and a free hand with the economy. Which is of course what a manda...
• the truth is pretty much the truth regardless john.
• The liberal momentum stalled. It died in the english debate and layton picked up and duceppe picked up momentum in quebec. Latest ekos seat projections (an...
• The liberal momentum stalled. It died in the english debate and layton picked up and duceppe picked up momentum in quebec. Latest ekos seat projections (an...
• I provide evidence and a solid reasoned argument to demonstrate the truth. All you do is say "no it isn't" every time i say 'yes it is.'. Contrary to what yo...
• Oh nonsense. It boiled down to a very simple issue at the time - was the evidence provided by the United States and Britian credible evidence or not. IF it...
• I heard that if dion wins the election, the blue fairy will turn him into a REAL little boy. :)
• well we know that's where things are. Dion has to worry about a slide to the ndp as well. Harper wasn't the only one who did good in that debate, layton di...
• I can't keep up with them any more. :)
• Which is about where it's been for some time. It may go up and down a touch but within the margins that's where we seem to be sitting. Harper will gain sea...
• It's possible for the libs to fracture like the PC did - but it's not likely. Certainly not in the near future. It may happen if the libs crash economically ...
• It's quite simple - it comes from intelligent reviews of the facts and history, and from a strong knowledge of how our system works. And yes - your bias op...
• There is no doubt that the libs will avoid another election at all costs for at least 18 months. They will be worse than broke, and there's going to be a lea...

Chat about the Leaders' Debate Live (2008-10-02)

• i'm not - i have a tough time understanding him. And he seems really desperate.
• I'm surprised in the medical section the fact the CPC is changing immigration and has a plan to help foreign trained doctors qualify and be brought up to spe...
• I did - i also noticed that it came up that this would be a good thing in the analysis last night. They seem to be aware of the cameras and look at the leade...
• Dion is getting creamed - and that little jab "if you couldn't do the job of opposition i have no idea why you're trying to be prime minister' will really s...
• AM i dreaming - or did dion just say in response to Jack layton who asked 'i hope you're going to listen to those premiers you're going to meet with when the...
• I'd say that's probably pretty accurate. I loved gilles comment "i'm not going to be prime minister. You three aren't either even if some of you don't admi...
• We're going to disagree??!!? SHOCKED! SHOCKED I AM!!!!!! :) Well - bottom line is it's always hard to say when you're 'rooting' for one person. I've had s...
• Ok - best comment of the night goes to lizzy "Did you win?" (throws hands up) "of COURSE i won! Weren't you there?!? :) "
• Well that's not true. That assumes every supporter is a supporter because of their climate change plans. That's probably far from true, other than perhaps th...
• The americans do a lot more 'referendums' on various issues with their votes, and that would make a lot of sense on many issues. It's something that i wouldn...
• Well that's simply not true. Harper does have a plan - his point is that he had a plan last year when he saw this coming and they're going to continue it. Wh...
• I don' t recall harper endorsing paul martin for the office of prime minister tho. :) Mrs May has done just that, tho she tries to say she's not REALLY doing...
• America 'caught cold' over a year ago. So the 6 month thing is out. The housing crisis down there has been very serious for quite some time. And the last t...
• Well - i saw almost all of them taking notes at one point or another, so maybe that's not quite accurate, but it's good you really feel she got her message o...
• Oh i don't think she has any illusions about being prime minister in the near future :)
• Actually it has worked - the three strongest provinces in confederation use exactly that model and it's been HIGHLY successful. Tax and spend has never wor...
• The 'green shift' is also an 'urban-rurral' shift. not surprising considering most of dion's voters are in major metro areas. The fact is it will severely ...
• Well - it's interesting, some have noted that the green shift is actually one of the most divisive policies we've seen in a while. It splits east and west (d...
• I think layton did well, and probably will gain a little strength. I think you're right, harper is going to win the election, dion just didn't pull it off we...
• Well - there was no 'clear winner' in the sense of a knock out blow, but there was a loser and that was dion. He needed to do really stand out against layton...
• It was spread around because may actually DID say she wanted to see dion as PM and she did a deal with the liberals. I don't think you can exactly say the co...
• One thing's for sure - banning a hunk of metal isn't going to do a single bit of good. Once someone's decided to kill, they'll find a way. In bc we had a kid...
• And to top it off - youth violence IS actually on the rise. At least according to statcan. More importantly - the nature of crime is changing. More innocen...
• There is no chance of any kind of coallition gov't with duceppe. At best they might strike temporary deals on specific topics.
• Nonsense. You can't draw a comparison like that. First off - many of the carbon taxes are very very different than what dion proposes - they didn't try to 's...
• Actually - it used to be quite common not to release a policy document. Harper's made his intents pretty clear. He may yet release a policy document intendin...
• Well you can always park your vote with the greens. They won't win anything, and they're sure noisy :)
• I'm not so sure. It's looking that way at the moment. But there's still a little time left and he did pretty good tonite. Even if he is a little like a parti...
• Who's the second party then? Dion hasn't got any chance of forming gov't. What we're looking at here is who's going to form opposition.
• She isn't given the public spotlight to express those kinds of views - she's there to promote the green party. If she doesn't - then she becomes a shill for ...
• It is absolutely NOT true that handguns have no use at all. You're simply uninformed. First off - they're a huge source of entertainment and sports. It's a...
• Taxes that don't really count? What on earth could you possibly mean by that? The gst cut cost us something like 5 billion dollars a year, and ONLY people...
• It's not clear at all from your statement that it's unsupportable. You would have to demonstrate which of the OP's points you feel are inaccurate or what par...
• He showed he's not a prime minister. That's just unfortunately the way it is. Here's an article on the results, and some commentary on why. Dion NEEDED a w...
• That's about how i see it.
• A problem that's being worked on with some success. BC did a program similar to that for nurses. It involved country specific training to get nurses from o...
• So - his big plan is to meet with the regional leaders and then not listen to them because it would be wrong to get caught up in regionalism. Are you kiddi...
• No, i meant to sound more humorous than anything :) . I meant specifically that I've had training in speech arts and the use of (or lack of use of) body lan...
• Dion panicked. He knows he's getting creamed on the economy. He needed to do SOMETHING and it had to be something that was inexpensive and as non controversi...
• Harper wins, Layton second, Dion trails: poll Poll gives nod to Harper, with Layton second Meagan Fitzpatrick, Canwest News Service Published: Thursday, Oc...
• hehehe :) ohhh sorry boys. This just isn't your election :) But there's no real point living in denial The good news is it won't hurt the libs much worse t...
• I tend to agree. Decentralization makes for stronger confederation.
• Unfortunately - not all of that is true. First off - while carbon taxes CAN be revenue neutral - this one is not. Dion's own numbers don't add up to a 'r...
• First point - dion's failure to vote addressed the poster's premise that the ndp should give up and get behind dion to present a united front. Given dion's f...
• Gohabs - it was the LIBERALS who coined the term 'wealth shift' For example this recently appeared in the papers - An Ontario Liberal MP said yesterday h...
• Well you weren't alone moving to 'undecided' - looks like that column went up 3 points as well. Well see in the next couple days. Either ekos will come in ...
• Oh hell ya. Campbell is in serious trouble - NOBODY is happy with the carbon tax and even die hard right wing voters are considering voting ndp instead to te...
• At least double? It's going to go from 2.5 cents to 7.5 cents! I agree - when he got in he was clumsy but he got the job done we elected him to do. Now - i...
• Hahahaha :) yeah, with about a 15 point lead on average we're simply petrified :) Wait till election night - you'll have some REAL fun then :) I'm still se...
• heh - no prob :) The undecided thing. You know - the problem with any rolling poll is that its' less of a 'snapshot' than actually doing a proper poll in s...
• I don't think alberta needs any more people in it at the moment :) We may wind up with an ndp gov't for a short period - but carol james is pretty harmless....
• Well - lets wait till you have time. No point in me doing a rebuttal till you're around to discuss it :) I will say having seen a carbon tax in action I dis...
• Really. Sounds more like you're the bias one. Which fact is suspect? If it's not true it should be quite easy to dig up proof of it's inaccuracy. Lets hear...
• Many say they respect an opponent. Many say they appreciate things about opponents. But they all acknowledge they're opponents. THey don't root for each othe...
• I do appreciate your fair response on the guns, (seriously). Most of the time people simply aren't educated on the issue and fair enough - why should they be...
• True. Hell - criminals in canada have been busted for MAKING guns. Good guns too not some cheap single shot saturday night special. Fully automatic 9mm ste...
• Actually nik's had it at about eleven and growing. One day's results aren't terribly significant. If they were dion would have surrendered long ago when the ...
• a political party leader is not representing themselves either tho. They are representing the party members who elected them into a position. And our politic...
• I don't think i ever predicted 165 seats for the tories - it's possible i may have said that's what the numbers would be based on the polling of that day. Bu...
• Electoral reform is not even remotely close to 'disrespect' for the system. I may think that speeding laws should be changed, but until they are I still re...
• Sure, there's always politics. Yes - mr dion shouldn't be saying there's a 'hidden agenda'. Yes harper shouldn't be saying dion will raise the gst. That kind...
• I understand the behavior fine. I understand a bank robber's behavior fine as well. Comprehension isn't the problem here. What i said is it's wrong. Just l...
• well the in and out thing is only unethical if it's illegal. If it's within the rules, it's ethical. Parties are expected to live within the law but do to ev...
• There is no contradiction. It is expected for parties to do what they can within the law to win the election. However - ms may is not trying to win the e...

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 36, LP 26, NDP 20, BQ 10, GP 9 (ending September 30) (2008-10-01)

• The libs are collapsing in quebec - which actually raises another question: could the bloc become opposition?
• Only if harper stole that blue tie from us :) The theft of taxpayer money is very real and the anger around it is quite logical and rational. As to the s...
• In fact - he was minister responsible when kyoto went ballistic and emissions went up by 20 percent. Now he's got a 'new' plan. I don't think so. He's hard...
• Of course he's back - liberals have no respect for the rules :)
• Ahh fortescue - chretien may have sent us to afghanistan, but wasn't it martin who sent us to kandahar, our first combat deployment? Or are my dates off ther...
• It was a democrat who nuked japan :)
• Well first off - the 'in and out' scheme did not involve the public purse. It involved the conservative's own cash - no public money was involved. That came ...
• Owner gets to make the rules. If someone invited you to use their property, you'd still be expected to treat it with respect. You wouldn't borrow someone's...
• Well, the consensus out there seems to be that Harper won the debate, but mostly by default. I doubt the debate shifted a lot of people one way or another, b...
• Well the toronto star said harper won - would you say that's a 'conservative' paper? :)
• Bored isn't so bad for him in that situation. Nobody got him flustered, he had an answer for everything they threw at him and they really didn't focus on the...

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 37, LP 26, NDP 20, Bloc 10, GP 8 (ending September 29) (2008-09-30)

• Well yes - and to be honest those realistically were the questions from the beginning. Nobody really thought the libs could win. It's a question of how bad t...
• As a side note - i think 'majority vs non majority' is going to depend largely on voter turn out. I think it's going to be close in a lot of ridings and who ...
• Well - cpc's up again and probably will be again tomorrow (just in time for the debates) but i think this is probably a pretty accurate picture. The CPC has ...
• Well the 'vote split' is a factor, but i don't think it's as big a one as people think. I think it'll mostly result in seat swaps between the libs and ndp an...
• Yeah - dion's lost this one. Last election Martin (who was a far better campaigner) started far ahead of the cpc, and was able to recover some of that at t...
• Well they're not likely to encourage new donations while they're perceived as 'losers' after losing another election. Worse - dion and co haven't paid off ...
• True. He's always been very talented.
• Hard to say - they're making some real inroads in several urban ridings where they've come in second or third in the past in fairly close races. But - you'...
• True. He hasn't got the budget :)
• whereas the libs around here have been showing nothing but love and respect right? :)
• well - a little of both. The bloc has picked up some cpc support - but is also stealing hard from a lot of the liberal support. We'll see what happens.
• Yeah, but even folks who disagree with the guy have to admit - he's got style and he makes hard hitting points that aren't just slag attacks or mudslinging. ...
• Ahh - well yes. But considering we started neck and neck with the bloc, we've obviously bled a little to them i think. The libs are just doing worse. :)
• Well actually that's not true at all. And again - its' the kind of nonsense statement we see often enough from libs with short term memories. Inclusivene...
• There is nothing 'treasonous' in choosing whether or not to stay in confederation. That's a choice - do we still belong together, or should we be seperate....
• Now you were the one who screamed bloody blue murder about 'leger' polls when i mentioned the last one - so suddenly you're a fan? :) Since the election sta...
• You need no help to destroy yourselves - you're doing a fine job of it on your own. If harper truly wanted you destroyed he would just sit back and wait. Ont...
• Nik's purchased numbers list actually does contain both cell and VOIP numbers. So they are getting polled.
• Because using someone else's script is so bad it might distract voters from things the libs did like adscam ? Good luck with that :) It's pretty desperate :)
• Shhhhhhht! - you're not supposed to tell about the iraq invasion plans harper has! Man - next you'll let it slip about the plan to "nuke unborn gay wales for...
• Replace dion with an avacado. You'd have a better chance of winning.
• Actually - seeing as the liberal party is currently polling lower than when it had NO leader after martin resigned, i think I could make a pretty fair case :...
• Why? You've never cared about facts before when shown to you, or cared to show yours when you make statements. How about this - how about you look it up an...
• And harper eats babies! In our cities! In canada! (we're making this up.)
• So - martin was under attack for stealing the people's money and using it to illegally fund campaigns in order to subvert the democratic process in quebec an...
• No, he'll still win the election if he drops 6 percent - he'll lead the liberals by 5 at that point. And that's not a realistic possibility. Certainly not ...
• Awwww - did your little feelings get hurt again? I know how much the truth hurts you - hearing the truth seems to be to liberals what sunlight is to vampires...
• So - you feel that when they were stealing money from canadians and rigging elections they were the best choice? Well that says a lot more about you :)
• The federal gov't isn't holding back anything. You're just so used to bail outs that you think if you don't get one someone must be holding something back. ...
• No -you're not the lowest. Here's from the finance site federally - In 2008-09, support through major transfers to Ontario will be approximately $21.8 bi...
• BTW - does this mean you were lying? I mean you were wrong, and you've said that if someone is wrong they MUST be lying, so you were lying right?
• Oh - and lo and behold - the LOWEST province, the province receiving the least in transfer payments per captia is .... (drum roll...) SASKATCHEWAN!!! :) I...
• No - you'd be long gone if he suspended people just for making stuff up :)
• Actually - there really isn't. You see - the 'tough times' you speak about are actually times created by the libearls. In the 1970's, Trudeau went balli...
• Well that will likley be harper's underlying message. Want arts funding? Want extra help for quebec in rough times? Want to have a voice in parliament? The...
• I think it's safe to say duceppe will indeed go after Dion. Duceppe is making serious inroads in previously liberal territory. If the liberal support collaps...
• Without a doubt. Larryl is of course completely misinformed on the issue. Reform ran canadidates in all ridings by the end, and it was the exact opposide of ...
• Larryl - you've described yourself as a 'die hard liberal' here. So you have a party. As to the question of the multi party gov't. Like any model, there ar...
• I read your post - but i'm not even sure what 'inappropriate' comments mbags/tpc made that got them canned. For all i know it was excessive swearing and not ...
• No - i did not get that it was sarcasm :) Sorry.
• The reform did not begin as a protest party. The reform began as a party that would fairly include all regions including the west (whereas the parties of the...
• Didn't see the post but point it out. I can't see how it's possible for there to have been an 'in and out' scheme to get donations - it doesn't really apply....
• Well of course - i paid extra on my car insurance specifically for 'to and from crazy' coverage! Might as well use it I figure... :)
• It makes absolutely no sense for a party to give money to someone and then take it back. The 'recipient' may well gain a benefit but the party doesn't. Thi...
• Larryl, you're wrong. The 'intent' of the law was to remove the ability of a prime minister to have SOLE rights to call an election. But that only applies in...
• Are you on glue or something? There WERE no rules preventing a wealthy businessman from donating all the money he wanted to in those days! Those rules are NE...
• What rules? The 'crook' can donate whatever he likes - there WAS no donation limit in those days! A wealthy billionaire could have given the reform party 10...
• Then why wouldn't the donor just give them 50 bucks and they write out a reciept for 100? Why give them the 50 in the first place? And how did you explain t...
• You have every reason to believe he's yanking your chain - it makes no sense. He could tell you that the reform actually is funded by santa's elves but it ...

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 36, LP 26, NDP 20, GP 9, BQ 9 (ending September 28) (2008-09-29)

• Again - not many surprises leading up to the debates. Ndp up one, libs down one. That's not any real movement, tho it does suggest that the ndp and libs prob...
• Oh don't be so silly. Of course he won't. If anything we'll advance. Millions of business women who are entrepreneurs will suddenly have the same rights work...
• Well - taking off my CPC supporter hat and putting on my political junkie hat to answer that question... ten points is pretty damn hard to beat. Anything is...
• True. The ndp vote seems to be strengthening in some key urban ridings. And the fact is they didn't miss by much in a lot of ridings last time. Even a one ...
• There is some reason to believe your thoughts on quebec could well be true. I think that the cpc is still competative in a few of the key ridings and that th...
• Well of course you wont' see it in the msm. Because it isn't even remotely true :) In fact they're up in bc by virtually every poll taken. They appear to be...
• Probably not far off - based on the poll we just saw. But as i said before it seems awefully odd that two weekends in a row there'd be an unexplained drop an...
• While many do not watch the debates, most of those tend to read or watch the highlights the next day and look for who 'won' and 'lost' and what the key point...
• It tends to have to be pretty clear for anyone to declare a 'win'. If it's close, it's a draw. So when there's a 'win' it's usually pretty obvious and they t...
• He will definitely be getting attacked but i don't think it'll all be about him. I think we'll see layton and dion bump heads and probably dion and duceppe a...
• There's no doubt - the Libs are hard left these days. The cpc is actually closer to the middle than any party out there, which is why they tend to get more s...
• Quite simple - those guys have had a valid excuse to avoid the problems of marriage for years and they threw it away! :) :) :) Now they're stuck with all th...
• All of whom have been far more honest than pretty much all the libs - martin, chretien, all the adscam boys, goodale, etc. I've left a lot out of course, b...
• Well that's just stupid. Sounds like you'd be the one with 'prejudice' issues. Honestly - join us here in the 21'st century and leave your bullcrap ideology ...
• Heheh - exactly westerner. Gee - Cadman, a bribe that never was (unless someone's found a life insurance company that'll give a policy to a dying man?) In...
• Not hard to find bud - lets start with the very basics. Goodale swore up and down that he was 100 percent certain the leak on income trusts did not come f...
• What, if i don't answer in ten seconds you repeat yourself? Settle down a minute my good man :)
• Christine - trendlines predicts 152-C, 74-L, 45-BQ, 36-NDP & 1-I. They then go on to point out that last year they were wrong, so they attempt a manual tra...
• Actually - electionprediction.org is notoriously innacurate. But the trendlines research is completely whacked - i'm surprised you even posted it. What t...
• Well in 2006 people were still afraid of harper. That's gone. And the fact is - dion ain't no paul martin. If you're hoping for a last minute comeback - ...
• Settle down HC - he's just angry that ontario is basically now the west's biatch in stead of the other way around :) After 130 years of believing they were ...
• I can imagine. If they were the worst i'd suggest you get out of the house more :) And there's a difference between 'opinion' and 'propaganda'. Your posts f...
• IN the past the liberals were the incumbent, not the CPC. And dion is no Martin or Chretien. He's a lot more like another turner. Good luck with that.
• Modern liberalism has become steeped and based in bigotry. They are only 'tolerant' of people and views they like. Push a little, and the truth comes out - t...
• Well in a very practical sense there is actually - if we're at about 5 billion now (which was what the last numbers just released said) and we have the proje...
• Well that's easy HC - when the libearls decided they're more 'Entitled" to your money than you are :) I should have thought you knew that :)
• OH i'm sure dion has his own diapers and we won't need to lend him any :) Unless you mean we'll be laughing so hard we might crap ourselves :)
• Quite true lex - if Elf believed what she said - she'd vote ndp. They're the only ones who haven't broken an election promise once in power. Of course - they...
• Yeah - but the cpc was creaming them both in that poll.
• Well according to that they were off by 36 ridings in 2004, and some of their projections were WAY off (missed by 10 for the ndp alone). So - not so good. ...
• LOL - followed by more of the usual 'intelligent' debate we've come to see from the libs i note :) Great argument TPQ - if you were still in elementary schoo...
• No christine - according to their website that's the straight line output of their latest model. This is what their model suggests the seats will be. Quote...
• See my response. According to trendlines - that is their STRAIGHT projection based on their latest model. Sunday's chart numbers reflect the introduction o...
• Coming in third puts them only slightly better than middle of the pack. Not 'a lot better than just about anyone else." There were only ten models. And non...
• No - i posted that earlier. Here's how they're dealing with their past 'results'. Quote It can be seen in the chart below that the Liberals gained 27 u...
• Actually the latest projections are harper will pick up seats in quebec, and the ndp might very well also. Sorry bud - just not looking good in quebec for ...
• And as i pointed out in the other thread - it was you who was being dishonest. Trendline gets those numbers from it's OWN projection model. However - bec...
• BTW - i'm curious as to why you would post those numbers when you admit ekos was more accurate? Why not post the ekos numbers instead? They're right on their...
• True. History shows quite clearly that if we don't like a party, we will destroy it even if it means a party we don't like gets in. Something the east strug...
• I know HC, and they wonder why other provinces don't really like them. They complain when others attack them but really all we've seen from mbags is bigotry ...
• We won't sue you. We'll just vote your liberals into oblivion :) THEN we'll sue what's left of them.
• You appear to have lost what was left of your wits :) I've never suggested you be put up for human rights violations. You don't have politics in ontario -...
• I think what you're doing is trying to tell yourself. I can understand that - not everyone can face the reality of the situation. I don't know about a maj...
• Actually we're talking about trendlines logic. But i can see where the whole 'logic' thing confused you :) SDSYPP and HYEBWCB ! :)
• Mbags - Sask and Man both have 14. Not 12 and 8. Welcome to the 21'st century :) Guess that was some more of that 'liberal math', was it? :) so - that'd...
• So you're predicting a cpc majority then? :)
• Ahh - actually alberta will make about the same amount of money. They structure everything around the idea that oil needs to be better than about 60 bucks. ...
• Heh - well it's not really alberta greed seeing as i'm actually not in alberta nor albertan by birth :) I'm a bc boy :) But the western provinces for the m...
• In my reality bud. :) Unless the liberals filed false paperwork with elections canada or is getting more little brown envelopes full of money :) Didn't you...
• Oh harper sees it that way just fine. He's putting more effort into ontario and quebec these days, etc etc. And saying he's an imposter... what the hell do...
• Oh i wouldn't go so far as to lay the blame for all the woes that sector is feeling on the backs of the unions. But - they played a big role. And sure th...
• Hard to say what the debates will result in. I suspect the cpc numbers are already closer to 37 38 than niks' weekend numbers suggest. We may see that today ...
• I've never believed in 'party loyalty'. The idea that we should vote for someone just because of the 'party' is a poor idea. That's a very western view in ge...
• Oh give it up!!!! Harris hasn't been around for nearly a decade! That is the most pathetic comment i've heard in some time - and considering i've watched dio...
• Plus - in pre school the teacher once sent a note home saying harper wasn't taking his nap like he should!
• Ahh - so the liberal campaign is now being dveloped based on the economic/political brilliance of wc fields. Actually - that does explain why it's such a j...
• Sorry - half a decade. An entire term in office for mcguinty - and you're still using it as an excuse? That's still assinine. And no - flatterly never sa...
• Whereas you're just getting mouldy? :) Well i'm somewhat flattered you think of me as wc fields - he was brilliant as a comedian :) when i think of you - ...
• ROFLMAO - you're the one who came here whining and crying - the issue wasn't even brought up till you showed :) Sounds like you've got a bad case of 'small...
• Oh yes - your intellect and reason really shine out :) I haven't heard such 'convincing' reason since the last KKK trial transcript i read :)
• No mbags - you are the liar. Post your reference for that - i posted the quote he said and it's the only quote he said. So - if im wrong post a link to his...
• Oh i didn't think it was your height that was the problem size wise :) And dude - we're totally laughing at you behind your back :) and to your face as it h...
• A lot of them are available online - canadian hate crime versions can be found at canlii.org (along with a lot of other court cases) but its judgements only ...
• ROFL - got word while you were asleep and dreaming? There's no chance of any liberal seats in alberta.
• Of course i'm right - i know my stuff. And i posted the EXACT quote he said - "If you're going to make a new business investment in Canada, and you're co...
• But your supposition is wrong. The fact you get 2000 and quebec gets 4000 doesn't mean you don't get enough - it means they get too much. That's not why yo...
• yes - because some comments in 2003 are highly relevant to our election today, but dion's comments that he'll consider raising the gst and that carbon taxes ...
• uhhh - no, no it isn't. Today's nanos poll is cpc 37, libs 26 ndp 20 bq -10 gr - 8. why do you do that? I mean - did you think i wasn't going to go look?...
• No - alberta has the highest immigration rate in the country - followed by bc. The population of Alberta increased at the rate of 29.5 per 1,000 in the yea...
• Fair enough - mistakes do happen. Harper's not actually 'stuck' where he was before. He's been consistantly polling higher than he did before. He'll dip an...
• Well bc is the highest as far as percentage 'right off the boats' in 2008. We actually get more in total numbers than quebec and not that much less than onta...
• Well there were a lot of seats where the cpc lost to the libs by only a few points. Consider vancouver quadra for example - lost by 151 votes. With the lib...
• Well i'm pretty sure we don't get that much at all and certainly nothing for the inter provincial stuff, but i would argue that means Quebec gets more than i...
• No, it's not 'skewed' by my cpc background. And if you haven't figured out that i don't open my mouth without knowing what i'm talking about yet, you haven...
• Oh it was very 'sudden'. I remember the day mcguinty brought it up and released his numbers- which haven't changed btw he's still using the same ones. And ...
• Oh - so the polling comany is actually a partisan conservative company? That is about as intelligent as suggesting the toronto star is right wing. The po...
• Fair enough. Tho i guess it is still time to talk about rae. Or likely will be after the election anyway.
• "whatever'. Wow - brilliant response :) The truth is the truth. And it's always better to deal with the truth than with what you wish was true.
• How do you know rae has 'matured'? If harris were running for prime minister (Which is likely going to be the case with rae) and I said "oh but he's mature...
• One might easily say exactly the same story about rae - many ontarians came out here as a result of his 'reign' and had the same story to tell. But we were...
• Rae was hated more than harris was - and he's a liberal now. Harris isn't in the CPC.
• So the liberals have gotten to the point where they're introducing a 'crime' committed in 2003 that's so severe someone might possibly get kicked out of scho...
• Rae was 'verily verily' hated just as much (forsooth! yea gods and little boarlettes! :) ) As to the trophy chick - trudeau had children out of wedlock chea...
• Right - so you make hundreds of mistakes and i tend to let them slide - but if i make one then i'm a liar :) So - when you posted the wrong stats for today ...
• ROFL - maligned a dead man :) That would be about the nicest thing i'd have had to say about trudeau :) I guess you maligned Nik Nanos by lying about his ...
• Oh, and as to why you would lie - when has a liberal ever needed a reason?
• Elf - none of the leaders write their own speeches. I'm sure you know that. Further - less than half the speech was copied. As to it being a 'coming out'...
• Really. So - when a liberal called americans 'bastards' etc, that wasn't rude or agressive. All the Liberal smear ads done by Paul Martin - neither agressive...
• Well i think we're getting a little closer to agreement on some of the points. With respect to speech writers, they're used pretty extensively. I don't thi...
• The green party - well that's almost worth a second post just to address that issue :) So maybe i'll make this one a double and save that till i address your...
• As to the greens :) Some of the original green philosophy i kind of liked. But the current incarnation is pretty nasty. First off - may is a liar. She sai...
• Elf - i don't recall saying you were 'blinded' by anything. About the closest i came was pointing out that if your basis for voting is to find a party who ha...
• The only thing that keeps any politician honest is knowing we'll happily throw the baby out with the bathwater if we need to. A short term pain for a long ...
• Elf - the 'canadians dont' want an election' excuse is a joke, and I think that even you can see thru that. Dion didn't want an election, and that's just t...
• Elf - he cut something like a 45 million from a budget that is well over 2 billion bucks. And they've still added MORE to the art funding than they've cut. ...
• ooooh - now i don't know that i said i see NOTHING wrong with harper :) I think i may have said he's the better choice - that's not necessarily the same thi...

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 36, LP 27, NDP 19, GP 9, BQ 9 (ending September 27) (2008-09-28)

• Looks more like there was a sudden jump in the undecided - possibly people saying undecided instead of cpc - but it's very very odd that this is the second w...
• He does sound like a whiner actually. It's being commented on quite a bit - he really doesn't do well when he's 'excited'.
• If it's a rogue it won't clear by tomorrow mrm - it'll take two or three days. Rolling poll, remember? But - if it's the second weekend in a row that happe...
• 1 - they hid and sheltered those who did. By canadian law and international law that makes them as guilty as if they'd launched the attack themselves. If y...
• That WAS the fact - he sounds like a whiner. If you want a more specific break down, he has a tendancy to raise his voice pitch when he gets 'excited'. Com...
• You are living proof that a fool and his ideas are not easily parted at all. :) 1 - Let me say this again - every international law including canada's say t...
• He sounds and looks like a whiner. That was the original comment - you wanted more details - i provided them. There is a way to hold yourself to look like ...
• Wow. You're not the brightest bulb in the drawer, are you :) Nik's talented, but hardly perfect. Why do you think his polls are plus or minus 3 percent? T...
• You're a little weird aren't ya. First off - these numbers would give him a stronger minority than he has now. Which is perfectly fine with the CPC and sup...
• LOL - you like a party that takes brown envelopes at restaurants - i don't think 'standards' come into play :) but - how a speaker appears is not a matter ...
• No - just those who insult me :) And we've bumped into each other before :)
• 20th and 21st what? What are you talking about?
• Ok - i wasn't sure what you were talking about. That's rather the point i was making tho - last week (20th) the poll took a very sudden and unexplained maj...
• There is no chance harper is done if he wins the election, regardless of the seat count. And while dion's up today, his trend is down. A trend reflected in o...
• Ontario hasn't paid for the 'means' for any western provinces. Ever. Occasionally ottawa makes a small investment which is inevitably sucked backed 10 fold o...
• All kinds of weird things can happen on weekends, that's for sure. :) Might just be that more liberals are home, or fewer cpc are or god knows what.
• Seriously rsharp, while we may have our political disagreements the wheat board issues is one that should trancend that for canadians. Having the right to ch...
• Well that's just completely nuts. It's the liberal party that has been the 'friend' of big business, and what has harper done that makes him 'friendlier' to ...
• Well, to be fair, every liberal leader has described themselves as a devout catholic, the 'original christian freaks' (inquisition anyone? :) ). Liberal lead...
• Well, things are very different in the states. I think the idea of the 'radical religious right' in the states has been grossly overstated in size, but witho...
• Well you know - there ARE worse things than worshipping a guy who basically said how great it would be if folks were just nice to everyone for a change :) I...
• Well first off like i said, the CPC really isn't a 'christian' party per se, unlike the republican party of the states. But just to compare as you suggest ...
• Well i called the idea nuts. Unless english is your second language, you should have been able to differentiate between the two. But if it's any help whats...

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 39, LP 25, NDP 19, GP 9, BQ 8 (ending September 26) (2008-09-27)

• Well - a little boring of course, but it was to be expected :) There's not going to be much more movement till closer to the debates unless something big hap...
• There's some indication that there's a coalescing of support for the ndp in the main urban areas.
• watch the french debate - there'll be an interpreter to convert his french to english, which may help a little. There's unfortunately no one to translate his...
• Dion has to do something more than just yell - that's for sure.
• there is no humility in him at all. And the problem isn't just him - most liberal supporters i've seen (including you rsharp) insist that in essence if we do...
• That's in urban ridings only - not in canada in general. And to be fair that's not CTV, that's harris decima. If it makes you feel any better tho, i woul...
• Side note tho - i wonder if that's about to become a self-fulfilling prophecy? It's in the papers today and in the toronto star as well. It's possible that r...
• Awww - are you having a bad day because your losing still? Hey - i'm sorry dion is both arrogant and incompetant (as this campaign is quickly showing). You ...
• oooo - you've got me writhing in the grip of your impeccable logic again. :) You never had any credibility to start with, so you're pretty much still holdi...
• Liberalman - all this says is that alberta was forced to sell their oil to people at a discount rate to buy votes east of ontario. Not much of a 'subsidy'....
• Turn to NDP to stop Harper, Layton says after poll gains JULIAN BELTRAME The Canadian Press September 27, 2008 at 9:24 PM EDT OTTAWA — A resurgent NDP Le...
• rather than make you address the same points twice - i'll reply under larryls' thread. :)
• Exactly. And this is the point i was making about the 'discount' mbags. If ontario refineries have to pay more, then quebec and eastern refineries have a 'di...
• Mbags - i'm old enough to remember a lot of things - young enough not to have dementia about it :)
• ROFLMAO - yeahhhh ontario is so hard done by fiscally :) Take a look at the response i made, and while you're at it, keep in mind that since the 90's albert...
• Well albertans get worked up pretty easily. It's of course foolish to say that there has never been any kind of money flow to alberta. But i think it's wrong...
• Lots of good questions. 1 - this is a subject of much debate - usually because people can't do math properly and forget what confederation is. Every now ...
• The current elevation of past grievances to near - religious status with some folks out this way is, without a doubt, unfortunate.
• First point i should bring up - i'm not actually albertan. :) I'm british columbian. But we sure watched the whole thing happen - and tonnes of albertans wh...
• Well i'm in bc - different story - but i don't think it's fair to say alberta hasn't been paying it's share of dough back towards ottawa. Per capita it's a l...
• I don't recall harper saying that :) And the fish in my lakes are pretty good eating and were long before harper showed up :D
• uhh - no he's not :) And ontario didn't pay for the irrigation systems at all, unless i missed something. The feds did. ANd that'd be the same feds making a ...
• "I NEVER heard a complaint from them when Mulroney 'stacked' it with PCs." Well you weren't listening closely then :) the west didn't really like mulroney m...
• Well you're welcome, but as you say it's the simple truth. Too many people just don't take the time to look the truth up anymore.
• Well it wouldn't surprise me, but i'd have to argue that the problem probably predates harper's 3 year minority term :) And realistically, i guess that's th...
• Oh i think mulroney bailed because he knew what was coming. You think he'd have given up after just two terms if he didn't see the 'end of days' coming down ...
• Well - most of the west was raised that way - bc and alberta especially. And some of the reasons are real enough - but not near enough to justify the depth ...
• Well - no, not exactly. The expansion west was actually at the insistance of ontario who wanted to secure the land for political reasons. The praries were hu...
• Well the same thing is true of a carbon tax - which is a write off after all :) I don't know that i said he was going to 'beat on the tarsands'. I think he'...
• heh :) cheap shot :) Harper's pretty clean. Layton's pretty clean too. For politicians. Dion probably is as well, but the lib party is not. It's still ful...
• I don't think there are as many 'life long' liberals as there was. There's a lot of polling information and such to suggest that people are more willing to s...
• Oh yeah, i get where you're coming from and i know the type of guy who's irritating you :) some of the 'zealots' come up with some of the most rediculous com...
• Income trusts weren't a lie. People throw that word around way too easy these days. He made a promise. The liberals and ndp made the same promise. I'm quit...
• Too young to have any rot so far :) Don't get me wrong - i'm not saying it's because 'conservatives are all pure of heart whereas all liberals are corrupt ...
• I think adscam and such really shook a lot of people's faith in the libs and they're looking to make a decision. And lets not forget that under turner they...
• I can appreciate the idea that lowering taxes creates short term pain that's unacceptable to some. But the fact is - we went thru that pain out here and in...
• It's a good start :) And income trusts will be taxable in 2011. That is true. Sorry if your buddies don't want to pay their fair share of tax. i can unde...
• Hard to say. they'd do better than dion that's for sure - neither of them would have proposed the green tax. The liberals did make a monumental mistake wit...
• We were stony broke in 2000. I mean - horribly broke. A have not province for the first time. And we had the ndp to thank for it at the time. High taxes, etc...
• If your buddy put 100 grand into an income trust and lost everything, it wasn't harpers fault. He picked a bad fund. Most of them have regained most of what ...
• Not only is it possible, it's almost inevitable at this point. the ndp will most likely be the new 'red' party. And the main reason for that isn't dion - i...
• Caps lock make your post kinda hard to read bud. Just thought i'd mention it. Well Yeah, i tend to disagree with things like the UI plan being unbalanced a...
• Well if it cost him 100 g - he must have had a lot more than 100 g in them. Especially if it's still cost him that much. I didn't mean to suggest he wasn't...
• It has already happened. It's too late to change that - even if the libs had gotten what they did last time they were probably done. But it's pretty obvious ...
• I've been nothing but straight with you. Sounds more to me you're someone who just doesn't like to hear the truth. As to getting off the board - nope. So...
• No - income splitting has ALWAYS been there for cpp. This is new. It allows people over 65 to split all their income. In many cases one partner or another ...
• I think it's safe to say harper has no interest in destroying ontario. Flaterty told you the truth. If you don't like the truth that's your problem. But it...
• Parnel? I never brought up anyone named parnel?
• Well what i was pointing out is that now seniors can split ALL income, not just cpp or pensions. That's new. Not old. And i addressed the 'american' mode...
• You never mentioned your inlaws were dead bags. The cpp was not changed in 2006. That was my point - it was unaffected by the changes as it clearly says in...
• The very best thing to do is sit down with a good accountant. there's a few ways to do it and choosing the best and easiest for him requires a professional t...
• Some of the questions i'd have to ask to give you even a 'direction' to move in would certainly be too private for an open board. Feel free to pm me and i'll...
• Actually, the 'big' gains were for ottawa :)
• I don't think that's true tpq. Nor do i think they only sold gas in ontario. It's not like there's a refinery for each province or anything, or anything to s...

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 39, LP 24, NDP 19, BQ 9, GP 8 (ending September 25) (2008-09-26)

• This is incredible. Down for, what, the 5th day in a row? Interesting how the 'who would make best pm' question so closely mirrors the results of the parti...
• The west is going tory, that sure seems to be the case. This has happened before of course - but this time the west has enough seats to make that pretty deva...
• I'm not sure the bloc support is all that firm. And realistically i expect that if there is a general coalescing of support behind one party on the left, i...
• Probably pretty accurate - we'll know more when we see what the polls say as we get closer after the debates. If the libs tank completely, it'll be a severe ...
• Well he IS mostly appearing at children's schools - it may help at that :) Come to think of it - given the fact that we've had nothing but minorities and co...
• Always a good question - I think 99 percent of voters study the issues very little. I seem to recall that after 3 months of campaigning for the green tax, wi...
• I loved the 'anything stupid' comment. I think that on some level that really resonated with people. They always think the gov't is doing something stupid - ...
• Hehehehe - yeah, she'd appeal to the left wingers AND the agricultural community.
• Depends how Dion reacts. The jack russel thing didn't work with martin because it looked like a smaller dog barking at a big dog. But dion may just counter '...
• Well right now it looks like the libs will still be opposition. But - The ndp is within striking distance.
• Well - he's got a real pickle. His best and only viable stratagy would be to convince voters that they should rally around the liberal brand to oppose harp...
• That will depend on layton i think. He's got to step up and offer something more than trash talking the opposition. But i think COULD climb above 20 percent,...
• Well it'll definately result in a rebirth - i don't know if they'll move back to the center yet or not. Hating the 'right wing' has become almost a religion...
• He's facing that no matter what he does. And worse - that was 16 years ago, and everyone knows it wasn't harper that tanked the economy, it was the problems ...
• I'm thinking closer to 50's. Give or take. With today's numbers they look around 59. And I think they'll bleed more than they are now.
• I think that's very optimistic. I think they'll do well to get 3 out of the west. I also think that they'll do well to take 10 out of quebec. The gap is wide...
• There's little doubt - a united right would have beat the libs in 97 and 2000 or at least had a much better chance. As soon as there was a united right - e...
• Change is just one form of 'vision'. Canadians have always responded well to a complete plan - a leader who paints a picture for them and they can see it c...
• If dion plays the rest of the game the way he's played the first half - i may turn out to be a pessimist in the end :) I look at patterns - and i see one em...
• Really what? The seat count? Yes, at the moment 59's a realistic projection.
• Yes - the truckers union there (which is like the pope to those people :) ) is very against dion's plan. Obviously with good reason.
• Hold on. Dion has been smearing and slandering pretty hard for quite a while. And he doesn't mind when his people do it either. There is no excuse for 'c...
• All parties benefit to some degree - the ndp will likely be the big recipient if there is a complete collapse of the libs.
• You know - going after harper is the traditional solution and harper has some weak points (all politicians do, and all gov'ts more so) but it rarely works. O...
• Don't worry about a CPC majority - it's less scary than you think. It always is. What people on the left - especially liberal supporters - need to focus on n...
• We can be partisan but still civil, right? :) Nothing wrong with a healthy debate, and it IS election time after all. Lets start with the attacks. You int...
• I doubt it's a sweep.
• I don't think harper misses much.
• We'll know more after the debates. The polls for 3 or 4 days after that will tell the story.
• Well a lot of people who don't watch the debate but they read the paper and watch the news the next day and look at the 'synopsis'. A lot of folks make their...
• I don't know why every person who gets where dion is goes to attacks. They rarely work and frequently backfire. It's not a winning stratagy for him, if any...
• He'll get murdered if he stays with just the attack stuff - he needs something else to give him momentum if he's going to stop the slide. And really this is ...
• Christine - are you REALLY being entirely fair here? Pig in lipstick is a common phrase. Pig in a sweater is clearly a direct reference to Mr harper himsel...
• LOL - well i'm sure it'll get spun that way a little, but really dion has to WIN. not just 'do ok'. And that'll either be clear or it won't. Frankly it may...
• Here now - i thought we were going to keep it civil? I wasn't rambling - If you don't understand something just ask, and i'll explain it to you again differe...
• oh please. I see you have your leader's taste for dishonesty. Harper made it clear from day one that he knew his people were going to offer to repay electio...
• Majere - interesting 3 answers (good question btw informed). Dope i get - i'm not opposed to legalizing it (tho i don't know about the 'tomatoes' thing :) ...
• Actually - dion lashed out many many many times. He just didn't use tv ads to do it. The cadman issue - he lashed out so much he's opened himself up to a l...
• there have been such complaints from his people. Well - we'll see what happens. The problem with dion 'winging it' is that he has a bad habit of saying som...
• All you've done is proven that what i said was true. To quote from your own article - Mr. Harper hired three forensic sound experts to review the tape and...
• So - to recap. The tape has been shown to be doctored by several experts. So you were wrong to suggest otherwise and i was correct. The Carbon tax and di...
• umm... did you mean to post that in another thread perchance?
• And he WILL have layton and harper to egg him on :) Yeah - it should be interesting :)
• Still thinking you may well be posting in the wrong spot there larryl - i think you have two windows open. You meant to put this in the other thread i think....

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 40, LP 25, NDP 19, BQ 9, GP 8 (ending September 24) (2008-09-25)

• There's also the margin of error. 19's not so bad if it's your low. But i think the ndp's chances are going to be based on how they do in the debate. I sus...
• The tories had no chance in montreal, and sinking there isn't much of a loss to them. It IS an amazing gain for the ndp, if they can translate that into seat...
• I don't think so. I think that the drop to 37 WAS the pull back. I think a lot of people liked the announcement of tough on criminal polluters policies. I th...
• The numbers will be volitile till at least after the debates. They'll start to firm up at that point. I doubt the cpc vote will stay at 40 - it'll cruise a...
• That's what i'm thinking skoblin. Layton's best bet is to suck away folks who used to be bloc but aren't really as engaged because the seperatist issue isn't...
• They were never going to take seats in montreal. Time will tell if quebec city and the areas around it care more about culture funding or the fact harper res...
• There were protests at trudeau's speech i believe. There is room there for a 'steal'. I think if montreal sees the libs collapsing they may well move to th...
• ROFL - yeah, the only thing that's saved the libs so far is that the tories are running a better campaign for the liberals than the liberals are :)
• There is no such thing. The libs in the past have collapsed (under turner) and they can do so now. Plus - there's the question of how many demoralized libera...
• Well there really is no 'good' stratagy for dion. His only real choice is to just go after harper hard, and hope that he sounds more passionate than the othe...
• A very real possiblity. If the ndp can demonstrate they have the better chance - i think they'll take it.
• Historically she's been a big fan of 'uniting the left'. If she does anything, she'll likely throw her support behind the libs to try to stave off defeat.
• Skoblin - with their current finances and borrowing if they get what they got before they're in real trouble. ANY drop will be disasterous for them.
• Meh - i'm not seeing it. I think any issue there will be short lived. I think at the end of the day while it's important to many quebecers there are other is...
• Heh - i know. I still laugh. And i'm not making this up :)
• Dion and the libs made me a criminal years ago with c-68. Harper isn't going after j-walkers, and everyone knows it. I'm sure you can see the difference be...
• I don't have a problem with the legalization of dope.
• Maybe. If he'd ever passed it. Of course - it didn't really legalize it, it just 'decriminalized' small amounts. Still against the law, just not criminal.
• which party would benefit? Whichever ones DIDN'T support the law in the first place :)
• You got it backwards - she likes harper but prefers her liberal candidate. The answer to that lori is actually almost the same - join the CPC party and vot...
• Yes, the quebecquios are a fairly practical bunch - it's better to have some pull with the actual gov't most of the time.
• Well, sounds about right. I'll be honest, quebec is the province i understand the least (which is fair - I've often though quebecers understand bc'ers and al...
• I'm sorry - at 14 you REALLY aught to be old enough to understand that murder is wrong. However - these aren't manditory minimums. The judges will still de...
• Sigh. You busted us. We're secretly growing them in our underground Conservative cloning facility, and there's nothing you can do about it Mr Bond!!!!!! If ...
• Almost every gov't spends more than any other govt in history. That's pretty much a given - costs tend to go up. But really - that's a pretty weak argument...
• There are many liberals who are seriously questioning the method of using the delegate system to select a leader. The delegate system is not a terribly goo...
• You should join the party and speak up. A lot of us have seen things we didn't like in the original cpc platforms and we've fought to remove them. And harp...
• And when did we get a 15 point shift in a day? The numbers change maybe one or two points in a day.
• It is a very sad fact that frequently those on the left have a habit of attempting ad hominem attacks on anyone they disagree with tory. Attempts to discredi...
• G&M's free on the net Larryl - http://www.theglobeandmail.com/
• Too close to call with these numbers Tory - looks like about 154 seats for the cpc and that's right on the edge. If they go up even a hair in quebec, they'll...
• And while i'ts a 'technical' majority - it's not really a majority. The fact is that if one of your people was sick, or off doing something else, you would h...
• Rsharp - nobody buys the whole 'scary harper' routine any more. It's not credible. It's pretty obvious that harper isn't mean or vindictive or anything like ...
• True. The CPC seems to have become the 'neo-liberals' so to speak. Harper has moved the party mostly to the center. Dion moved his party to the left, away ...
• First off ap, you need to remember there's a plus OR minus 3 point margin of error in the polls. Even if voters remained rock solid, the numbers would jump a...
• Exactly. I pretty much had the whole 'murder is bad' thing figured out long before i was a teen. Judges will still have a choice in sentancing, but i'm sor...
• Well first off as a new poster you clearly cannot possibly know anything, and should confine your questions to such things as "what does 1 + 1 equal"? If yo...
• Well no - no they don't :) if the polls are to be believed anyway. dion's only attacking these days - he's completely given up on pushing his platform and ...
• Another article today pointing out liberals are already talking about who the new leader should be. That can't be inspiring dion. he's in the weeds big tim...
• The way it works now is a lot of kids lose their fear of the so-called 'justice system' early on when they realize there are no serious penalties for what th...
• ROFL - his attack ads prove it? PLEASE!!!!!! - Dion has been hardcore badmouthing harper FAR more than harper has been badmouthing him! And layton's no bett...
• I should imagine you're used to it quite a bit, if you get out at all. The only one in denial is you. Lets take a look. 1 - YOU seem to believe that the ...
• LOL - it's very liberal of you to insult me and then complain that someone insulted dion. heh :) I guess THAT says it all about you, and your hypocracy Get ...
• Harper will do what the members of the party want him to do. If there is a push for it, then it will be considered. That's one way the cpc is different from ...
• Leader isn't the same as dictator. A good leader listens, sets a plan, then executes it. As dion's finding out - dion doesn't listen to anyone and then sets...
• Surprisingly, a large number of firearms owners are open to the idea of legalizing personal amounts - the arguments are very similar to why people should be ...
• Well his people have complained in public several times now that he doesn't listen and is driving the show on his own. i figure they'd likely know. :) And t...

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 37, LP 26, NDP 21, BQ 9, GP 7 (ending September 23) (2008-09-24)

• Definately a spike for bloc support in quebec. A mistake on harper's part to blow off the funding cuts like that. He's right of course - they DID increase fu...
• That's possible - i think it will generally affect them in quebec a little for a day or two but if they start hammering on the good they can do for quebec, ...
• lol - are you hoping for one or hoping to scare liberal/ndp voters with the threat of one? :)
• Interesting dion's leadership scores fell again last night. Sooner or later that's going to translate into very bad news for dion - he SHOULD have had a bum...
• Arguably true. It would be even more arguable if they were within 3 points, but yes, you're correct. I suspect tho that right now there is a gap between th...
• I agree with you pretty much verbatim. I was just noting the ekos numbers this morning. Ekos has a very very large sample, about 3 times most of the others...
• LOL - i love the idea that the carbon tax should have been more popular because nobody believes the libs will keep their word and impliment it :) heh! The ...
• Oh i didn't mean to suggest that the greens would get the lion's share of the vote - far from it. Just that the libs would bleed to both parties. I don't thi...
• Vancouver is going pretty blue this time out actually HC. He stands to win in north van, west van, quadra and a few other ridings. And greater vancouver ha...
• It's close. It's about 140 - 145 right now for the CPC based on various projections, and that's only 10 seats short. He's awfully close in a lot of those oth...
• Christine - the regional numbers for bc that are bc specific for ALL polls show that it isn't even remotely competative here. The libs are completely tanking...
• Not 'common' - not new either. That's what allows them to collect such a large sample. Like most polling methods, it's been debated as to if it's better ...
• the numbers don't say 'majority' at this time - but they're damn close. Harper would only have to go up a hair on voting day to win a majority, and if the li...
• Well looking at todays polls the libs are much lower in bc, and that is the truth. And because bc has a much larger percent of the population it weighs heavi...
• Dion's vote distribution is not terribly efficient either tho - it's highly concentrated. ANd the ndp seems to be getting fairly well distributed gains, whic...
• Do you think the pecker-stretching will stop at this point? I kind of doubt it. Minorities are good to a point, but at some point you need a majority to ac...
• Hard to say - the greens and ndp could very well play the same roll the reform and the bloc did in chretien's day. But i'm not seeing a majority numbers wi...
• I think hedy's day is done. I have no idea who's going to win it tho :) It's going to be a nail biter i think.
• I think he could have made the same move without being quite so inflammatory. I think he misstepped there, but we'll see. It's a long way from over and there...
• Well the problem with that is that while it will win them a few seats in those highly concentrated areas, they won't win anywhere near what they need. Cons...
• I think they did change the algorithms since then, but no matter what it still can't account for regional issues unless you do it manually riding by riding. ...
• Anything can happen, but it's getting very late in the campaign for a 'turn around'. Dion has one chance - the debates. He would have to do VERY well and c...
• Yeah, that's about my count. they MAY take one in manitoba. And vancenter is really up in the air for them. So - 5 max, 2 min - that's pretty ugly.
• yeah - he's got little to lose but he's gotta do better than 'break even' if he's going to stop the slide. He's got to look fantastic and i don't think he's ...
• Well - first off canada isn't actually holding any prisoners. So that's out right off the bat. Second, nobody is talking about killing the kid (who isn't a...
• England has a higher violent crime rate than america does at the moment. And america's crime rate fell like crazy over most of the last 20 years or so. S...
• And the facts provided are pretty thin. In fact nonexistant. For example - suggesting it's harper's crime that another nation is holding a criminal for trial...
• I think you guys are mixing and matching stuff. First off - with publication bans the issue is 'onus' . You can't put the onus on the kid to prove it SHOUL...
• I love how if we do ANYTHING that's even REMOTELY like america, somehow this has become a despicable crime. Actually - the American model worked. Crime has...
• Go back and check the violent crime rate . And check if it's rising or falling. Murder is hardly the only violent crime my friend. Here's an article - a ...
• woops - hit the button there by accident :) And lets be realistic - the number of crimes committed by criminals on parole or on bail is huge. Huge. And whil...
• Yeah. You've commented on it rsharp, but you're still wrong no matter how often you do. Sorry. We didn't lift a finger for our boys captured by the Vietnam...
• And as to canada: Tuesday, Jan. 24, 2006 2:59 p.m. EST Canada's Crime Rate 50 % Higher than U.S. Press reports that Canada is a Shangri-la – an America w...
• Well - it goes one of two ways. Either they are deterred, or they cannot be rehabilitated and are not deterred and are bound in determined to kill or commit...
• Yes - you can't compare the reported violent crime rate from statcan directly with the fed numbers from the states. We calculate them differently. BUT - t...
• Some people respond to it. Sometimes people do something they wouldn't normally do, and if they get spanked they never do it again. Others are 'carreer' ty...
• No - it makes him a murderer if he wasn't under uniform. Which is of course the questions - did he do the killing and was he or was he not a lawful combatant...
• A crime is a crime, and the americans are within their rights to lay those charges regardless of what you might think of their policy in general. Heck - if...
• LOL - really. I've seen a fair number of surveys that say most canadians are happy to leave him where he is :) Fact is you're in the minority, not me. And...
• BTW - just looked up the latest angus reid polls on the subject - only 37 percent of people think he should be repatriated.
• You mean a 15 year old who murdered an unarmed medic illegally? Hmmm - not THAT much of a problem :) Hey - don't go to war if you don't want to pay the pric...
• The kid was defending ... well he claims he wasn't, but lets let that slide for right at this second.. A civillian can't 'defend' anything. In a war, combat...

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 38, LP 27, NDP 21, BQ 8, GP 6 (ending September 22) (2008-09-23)

• I hate to say I told you so but.... heh :) I guess the rogue numbers just fell off the books, and as i predicted we're back up to 38 percent. Also as i ...
• Heh - well they got typos on it screwing up the figures. That can't inspire confidence. Plus the thing is hard as hell to read. I doubt anyone but a handfu...
• My guess is that's where they always were, and the 'dip' in cpc support simply showed them higher as a result. When you get a bit of a wonky result it can af...
• Or my math was off on which day was the 'rouge' day, and it was actually friday night instead. :)
• Well nik did an interview discussing why his results are different and why the libs poll higher. Short version - he does not list off the parties when aski...
• The liberal/ndp race is going to be a facinating one to watch. Safe bet that both parties will consider asking people to vote 'to stop harper', but you're r...
• I may have screwed up the day on which the rogue numbers happend, but it's pretty unlikely that the cpc jumped. 7 or 8 points in a single nights sample. We...
• I don't think anyone's going to read the platform much - i think the 'media attention' was the big 'booster' if there was going to be one - people skimming o...
• not in one day, not for a rolling poll. Unless people went ballistic and voted about 42 percent in favour of the CPC. But obviously the budget annoucement ...
• I wonder too. They will be 'prompted' by the polling cards. But - who knows, maybe nik is right and maybe he's not, we'll see. I DO have to wonder if the l...
• Seat projections - cpc 145 lib 75 ndp 45 and bloc 45 This poll puts the CPC just shy of a majority, but with the libs that's as good as. If the libs go dow...
• Hard to say - he may just squeeze voters to the ndp instead of rallying them to the libs. The ndp will trot out the fact that the Libs gave the CPC an 'eff...
• hehehehe :) Liberal supporter I take it :) Offhand i'd say none. Based on all the information that nik and other pollsters have provided (most of which agr...
• Well pollsters have been telling us for some time that the 'core' liberal support is melting away and voters are less 'loyal' to the major brands. I think ...
• The numbers aren't supporting that yet - but if the libs continue to slide as they have...
• Well i don't know if it's attractive to ontarians or maritimers lex (maybe, i don't know) - but it's HUGELY attractive to quebec and the west. Interesting ...