Conservative Victory Propelled by Ontario Voters

Pauvre Canada

[updated Wed Oct 15 06:47:20 EDT 2008]

The ballot question was the economy.

Let's hope the next election each party will do a better job in staying on message and providing a clear plan.

NDP had run a very good campaign, I hope they can work with the current CPC.
I hope the Liberal party is rebuilt with a new leader.

I do expect if opposition blocks the CPC again within the first 24 months we will get another election. I hope they understand the importance of respecting the mandate given to the government.

[updated Wed Oct 15 07:30:05 EDT 2008]

An interesting sidelight to the election is the numbers who voted vs 2006

totals 000's
2008..............................2006
all... 13,826.........................14,817
Cons:5,208...........................5,374
Libs:..3,600..........................4,479
NDP:.2,500..........................2,500

In my opinion and by these numbers it appears this election was basically decided by Liberal voters who stayed home and I think it was in Ontario where they sat on their hands. We get the government we deserve and I hope absent lib supporters learn the lesson.
This was not about making Harpercrite king since he got even fewer votes than last time and Taliban Jack got the same numbers.
The Libs will find their sea legs soon enough and understand that it was the fear of the economy that lost them the election. The green shift will happen just not yet.

[updated Wed Oct 15 08:28:16 EDT 2008]

Good job Canada!!!

The correct party was chosen to lead our country!!

Honestly the CPC won more seats than I expected. The Prime Minister made a good speech last night and I'm glad that the right man will be leading our country going forward.

I'm a bit surprised that Dion did not quit last night after being beat down so much but I'm sure it won't take long. Are the liberals still really a national party with only 7 seats west of Ontario (and well under 20% of the vote out there) and a very good portion of their seats in the whole country in only 2 cities?

[updated Wed Oct 15 08:48:23 EDT 2008]

I am reminded of the epitaph on the grave of Antarctic explorer Captain Robert Falcon Scott : "To seek, to strive and not to yield."

The Liberals have some soul searching to do - with Tubby as unpopular as he was and is, the Liberals should have done much better last night.

Stéphane has some soul searching to do too.

Clearly his gamble on the "Green shift" failed.

Clearly the "Green shift" was, as Rex Murphy put it, "a piano tied around his neck which he went about the country trying to sell."

Now I only have an Hons BA in Political Science & History - but what the hell was he thinking proposing anything with the word 'Tax' in it. Let alone a complicated policy.

All he had to say was that he would put in enhanced programs for energy reduction like home renos, industry etc to effectively achieve his objective - but to use the words 'tax,' revenue 'neutral' ... oh well, done now.

Clearly the Green Shift Platform is now dead - the voters rejected it all too clearly.

The Liberals now have to clearly reposition themselves, without a scintilla of doubt, in the middle of the political spectrum, be fiscally conservative and socially progressive.

And rebuild.

Stéphane should also remember Harry Truman - 'the buck stops here.'

He should spare the Party internal schisms and further embarrassment and now do the honourable thing.

He has much to offer as a Cabinet Minister.

ATB

John

[updated Wed Oct 15 11:44:56 EDT 2008]

Canada PM faces market crisis with minority government
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081015/wl_canada_nm/canada_us_election_canada_ca_4

"The fact that Mr. Harper was restricted to another minority government, albeit a marginally stronger one, means that this campaign can only be viewed as a personal defeat," said an editorial in the influential Globe and Mail newspaper, which had endorsed Harper before the vote.

"Near term, the House (of Commons) will probably act in unison on defense economics, while big plans by the Conservatives will likely be shelved rather than force a nonconfidence vote and another election," said Andrew Pyle, wealth advisor at ScotiaMcLeod.

Copied and Pasted from

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080906/economy_elxn_080906/20080906?&s_name=election2008
Election 2008 promises:

1)a two-cents-per-litre tax cut on diesel and airplane fuel over four years; at an expected to cost of $600 million a year
2)relax restrictions on foreign ownership
raise the allowable level of foreign investment in airlines from 25 per cent to 49 per cent
let foreign companies own Canadian uranium mines
3)provide $150 million annually for maternity and parental leave benefits for entrepreneurs who pay into Employment Insurance
4)give first-time homebuyers a $750 rebate, and up to $5,000 in tax credits, for closing costs; implementation cost is estimated at about $200 million per year
5)increase the senior age credit by $1,000
give $85 million in tax breaks to families with one spouse who forgoes full-time work to help a disabled family member
6)give consumers protection against Internet spam and ban unsolicited text message charges
7) allow charities and non-profits to set up RESPs for children in low-income families
give $2,000 in incentives for apprentices completing training programs
8) increase the Senior Age Credit by $1,000
9) provide $400 million more over four years for the Strategic Aerospace and Defence Initiative and Automotive Innovation funds
10) get rid of industrial tariffs on imported machinery and equipment (implementation cost: $345 million)
11) Reduction of the federal debt, resulting in interest rate savings
r12)Reduction of personal income taxes under the Tax Back Guarantee
13)Automotive Innovation Fund to help automotive sector
14)providing funds to create jobs in personal and food safety sectors and to reduce greenhouse emissions

Which one will the CPC bring out to show cooperative spirit in the next HOC?

[updated Wed Oct 15 13:21:09 EDT 2008]

The great news for the day is we only have 3 Liberals in Metro Vancouver, unfortunately one is Hedy Fry. A side note: If you think the election was not necessary, blame it on this fact. Before a Party can become Official, it must have representatives in all ridings in Canada, that is why we are getting the results we are. And thanks to the Liberals we got this mess in Canada. For 13 years they did nothing about this, because they were always spoon feeding Quebec like babies!

[updated Wed Oct 15 13:30:36 EDT 2008]

The Hill Times, June 5th, 2006
NEWS STORY
http://www.thehilltimes.ca/html/index.php?display=story&full_path=/2006/june/5/lib_money/&c=1
Four Liberal leadership candidates still haven't raised any money
Liberals say they're charting new territory under Bill C-24, but leadership candidates are 'really struggling' for money in this campaign.

Ontario Liberal Sen. David Smith, who is co-chairing Mr. Ignatieff's campaign, recently told The Hill Times that due to the difficulties in raising funds by all the leadership campaigns, the current leadership campaign has to be cost effective.

"We're not rushing into expenditures until it's obvious that they are necessary. It's not just the spending limit, it's the raising limit [as well]. In addition to that, you are going to have over 10 candidates out there beating the bushes for money. So, you have to be very cost effective and that's what we are doing," said Sen. Smith, adding that the Ignatieff campaign has set a target of about $2.5-million to be raised in this campaign.

David Herle, former campaign manager for the Liberal Party's last two electoral campaigns, told CBC Newsworld's Politics host Don Newman last week that the campaign financing rules for leadership campaigns should be changed because under the current rules in place, fundraising is an uphill battle. He argued that political parties rely on public financing for running election campaigns but leadership campaigns do not have any such arrangement. So, he said the law should be changed to give a reasonable opportunity to leadership candidates to raise money.

"Every candidate is really struggling for money in this campaign, some of them desperately, but everybody is really short of money and it creates a moral hazard and I think the law needs to be changed," said Mr. Herle.
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Does anyone think under the present circmumstances raising funds have improved for the Liberal Party or the leadership candidates?

[updated Wed Oct 15 14:14:54 EDT 2008]

It sounds like we get some really good policies passed in the HOC with the Prime Minister's new mandate.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081015.welxnharper1015/BNStory/politics/home

Harper targets Senate reform

STEVEN CHASE
Globe and Mail Update
October 15, 2008 at 2:41 PM EDT

CALGARY — Newly-re-elected Prime Minister Stephen Harper today served notice that he will stack the Senate with Tory appointments if necessary to push through democratic reforms of the chamber.

He also said he's reviewing options for further aid to Canadian banks as he released a six point action plan to address the global financial crisis.

But Mr. Harper declined a request from the nation's premiers to attend an Oct. 20 emergency meeting on the economy, saying he will instead hold his own first ministers' get-together in the weeks or months ahead.

“It's not possible for me to take part in a meeting Monday, but I welcome the meeting, I think it's a good idea for the provincial premiers to get together,” Mr. Harper said. “I wait with impatience the results of their discussion before they meet again with me.”

Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper speaks at a press conference in Calgary, on October 15, 2008, following his Conservative party's victory in Tuesday's federal election.

In his first post-election news conference, Mr. Harper warned that the Conservatives are serious about promised reforms to the Senate – including elections and eight-year fixed terms – and will fill it with new Tory appointment to push through reforms if the Liberal majority there opposes it.

“We don't believe an unelected body should in anyway be blocking an elected body,” Mr. Harper told a news conference in Calgary.

There are currently 16 vacancies in the Senate because Mr. Harper has let retirements go unfilled, but the Liberals still dominate with 59 unelected Senators in the chamber.

“I have held off for a very long time in naming senators. That said, I do not believe it is justified that the Senate would continue to [be] dominated by a party that did not win two consecutive elections,” he said.

“We are looking for the opportunity to elect senators, but if at some point it becomes clear some senators are not going to be elected, the government will name senators to ensure that the elected will of the House of Commons and the people of Canada is reflected in the Senate.”

By January 2010, there will be 31 vacancies in the Senate and the Liberal caucus there will be down to less than 50 seats in the 105-seat chamber. Mr. Harper could theoretically appoint 31 senators to a brief one-year term and use this strength to push through whatever changes are necessary.

[updated Wed Oct 15 15:49:56 EDT 2008]

Congratulations!

[updated Wed Oct 15 16:37:06 EDT 2008]

So - i guess NONE of the pollsters nailed it this time.

Looking at strategic, ekos and nanos, they were all reporting very similar numbers. But in this case they all fell short, most outside their margin of error.

To me, this is a demonstration of the weaknesses of three day polls during elections where there's a lot of volatility. Sudden last minute changes by the electorate simply cannot be tracked by voter intention polling in that kind of environment.

So - a couple of questions seem to pop into mind:

1 - several pollsters asked questions in addition to 'who are you going to vote for'? Should we give some of the trends we saw there in things like 'who'd make the best pm' more weight?

2 - what other questions might have been valuable? Would questions like 'who do you think has the most momentum' given more of a hint as to how things were going to wind up on the last day? Are there others?

3 - if rolling polls are best for tracking where we've been and giving the trends of what happened, is there a better way of tracking where we're likely to be tomorrow?

[updated Wed Oct 15 22:37:52 EDT 2008]

Knives come out swiftly for Dion

British Columbia's Liberal Premier, Gordon Campbell, said voters in his province clearly were not impressed by Mr. Dion. “We can't underestimate the fact that, frankly, Mr. Dion's leadership did not resonate with British Columbians. [Stephen] Harper's did.”
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081015.election-dion16/BNStory/politics/home?cid=al_gam_nletter_newsUp

Foxers has said 3 days. I guess they want to move on Dion while the corpse is still warm. Will Dion pull a Chretien and leave a timebomb.

[updated Thu Oct 16 06:49:26 EDT 2008]

Opportunity knocks for Ontario

Danny Williams and Dalton McGuinty both have grievances against the federal government, but they have pursued them in different ways. The question now, as Stephen Harper goes back to Sussex Drive, is which one of them has been smarter.

But what if the day isn't done and what if Mr. Harper has a long memory for those who have crossed him? What does Mr. Williams have left the next time he wants to be threatening? Will the Liberal and New Democratic MPs from Newfoundland be able to protect his offshore energy accord when the equalization scheme is reviewed again?

Mr. McGuinty's trump card is that Ontario can't be ignored. The collapse of its manufacturing sector - some 230,000 well-paying jobs lost in the past five years - threatens the federal treasury and that's something Mr. Harper can't ignore. He needs Ontario whether he admits it or not.
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Well where do we go next for 12-25 seats: Ontario seats or NL seats?
NL only has 3 seats up for grabs and its in the Liberal supported province of Williams.
In Ontario we were close in several races..logically we need to fix Ontario and bump NL behind Quebec now for resources of the federal gov't. After all we have limited resources now in a small budget. Looking forward to photo-ops of Harper and Liberal Premier in Ontario in the coming weeks.
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"Mr. Williams, the Newfoundland Premier, has never seen a fire on which he didn't want to pour some gasoline. Not content with taking down the Canadian flag and referring to the Prime Minister as "Steve," he used the federal election campaign to wage the electoral equivalent of all-out war. And he could luxuriate yesterday in the knowledge that his Anything-But-Conservative campaign knocked his federal cousins off the map by robbing them of the three seats they held in the last Parliament."
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[updated Thu Oct 16 07:12:35 EDT 2008]

Wow - that was quite an event. I think I got it all wrong except here in NL.

Ah well - congrats to all....

[updated Thu Oct 16 12:28:59 EDT 2008]

I think this is the best guy for the job.

McKenna eyeing Liberal leadership

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/election-2008/story.html?id=883087

OTTAWA -- Frank McKenna, the former premier of New Brunswick, is said to be seriously considering a bid for the Liberal leadership should Stephane Dion step down.

"Frank still has the bug and is open to lobbying from some of Canada's most senior businessmen that the party needs him and the country needs him," said a Liberal source who is understood to have been in contact with the former Canadian ambassador to Washington.

Mr. McKenna's name is frequently mentioned as a potential leadership candidate, but he decided not to run in the 2006 contest because of health issues facing his wife, Julie. Those issues are said to have been resolved.

The poor performance by the Liberals in this week's election, coupled with the prospect of a divisive fight for a vacant leadership between Bob Rae and Michael Ignatieff, has prompted a group of senior party figures to approach Mr. McKenna, 60, now deputy chairman of Toronto-Dominion Bank.

Asked what it would take to draw Mr. McKenna into the race, the source said: "He has to be persuaded that there is a sufficient level of interest in his candidacy. There is, and I have reason to believe he's interested."

[updated Thu Oct 16 12:42:03 EDT 2008]

Okay now time to start debating the next election...

[updated Thu Oct 16 14:17:24 EDT 2008]

The main reason why the Liberals Lost this election.

They have not rebuilt behind Dion. I have not heard one Liberal publicly state that it was a team failure. The party had 2 years to rebuild and purge their problems.
To this day, they feel they were cheated by the RCMP, ADSCAM etc.

Lessons not learned.

In the 2 years did the Liberal Party (Team) offer a new message in a unified coherent platform? No. The question remains will they blame Dion for the result or accept the 'team' approach and change.

As a conservative, watching them let Dion become the scapegoat reminds me of the war between Chretien and Martin camps. Are we in for a repeat of Iggy-Rae Part II?

Iggy is much closer to Harper than Rae. If Ontario is the best opportunity for growth than Rae would be the end of the Liberal Brand in Ontario. Anyone deny the negative feelings on Rae as NDP premier?

BTW I supported Bob Rae as my MP! Great man economic meltdown during his term.

Where is the front bench? Why has no Liberal come to Dion's defence? Did Dion fail to unify the party under his leadership? Two years later in his tenure and not one Liberal loyal to the leader has come out to support Dion.

Is it the $ 200,000 debt the party has not agreed to assume holding him back from the announcement?

[updated Fri Oct 17 09:01:28 EDT 2008]

A crushing defeat to Liberals and their egos, the next time Liberals refer to Canadians they are only talking about the ones that live in Toronto! As long as the Liberals keep pounding Canadians on Multiculturalism, Billingualism, The Senate, Enviroment, Quebec Culture they will never Win again. Canadians think differently now and the Liberals have not picked up on this fact. This party must reconstruct itself from the bottom up to even have a chance a governing again. And no Prime Minister from Quebec either or they lose again. When Canadians went to the Polls they were thinking about the foolish Jean Chretien and his government of the past and the fact he has not been brought to Justice. Canadians were thinking about Food from China (Not Afganastan) Trips to the USA, North American security, Jobs lost to China by Chretien that hurt Ontario, the RCMP, CSIS what are they doing?? It could not happen to a better Party. Time to get up to date Elections Canada, get rid of the paper ballots and do some planning, some version of electronic voting has become a realty.

[updated Fri Oct 17 17:09:27 EDT 2008]

The Liberals got what was coming to them and that makes me happy, the old fool Chretien out there living in the past on the campaign trail. Next election I hope the Liberals get ZERO seats. No Chretien, the bad times are when the Liberals are in power and sending our tax dollars and jobs to China, is that not right Mr Team Canada.

[updated Fri Oct 17 17:35:25 EDT 2008]

In my opinion, as I reflect on this past election, all five party leaders will be gone over the next 18 months.

The Harper cons have had three shots at a majority and failed. The party brass will make a move on Harper in due time but not later than a year from now.

The Libs will elect a "fixer" as leader who will be able to rally the troops around tried and true classic Liberalism. He/She will have the charisma to get fund raising up to snuff and the ability to play down and dirty with Steve and his successor since that is the only way cons play the Flanagan game.

Taliban Jack has also gone past his best before date and his failure to capture more votes while spending like a drunken sailor in Quebec will see him off to the political wilderness. Mulcair who has an ego larger than Jacks will be pushing him out with knives in his back. Mulcair has no principles,loyalties or scruples. Problem is who would hire a failed socialist like Taliban Jack with no relevant world experience.

Duceppe is done and has accomplished all he can. He has a fat federal pension awaiting him and he will become the separatist elder replacing Parizeau.

Liz May will have to give way to a more seasoned professional politician who can preach the overall green play book which is quite right wing in its philosophy.

The next election will occur in the next 18 to 24 months as the economy tanks and the cons are left with mounting deficits and no way to cut them based on their ideology and populist thinking where deficits are treated like the socialists would. .

[updated Sat Oct 18 07:34:48 EDT 2008]

Dion is not going to resign on Monday. he is going to announce a merger of the NDP and BLOC into a coalition that then becomes a majority government once parliament is resumed.

[updated Sat Oct 18 11:11:33 EDT 2008]

Replacing Dion not enough to rebuild Grits: Lord
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/indepth/id_tories/s/cbc/081017/canada/nb_nb_lord_liberal_leadership_2

"I think the Liberal Party of Canada has some serious issues in rebuilding. It is not just a question of the leader and if they think their issues are only because of Stéphane Dion, I think they are missing part of the big picture," Lord said.

"The fact is they are completely not there in some parts of Canada, in western Canada in most ridings they finished third, in Quebec [in] a lot of the ridings they are just not there. There is no organization there. They have a lot of rebuilding to do and I hope they take a long time to rebuild because I think Canada is better served with a strong Conservative party."

[updated Sat Oct 18 13:17:59 EDT 2008]

News Flash: Canada must do what Britian is going to do, Restrict Immigration especially from countries like China and Hong Kong, we need a more balanced approach, allowing only a certian number from each country, this is only fair and the right thing to do. The Liberal approach has always been unbalanced and who fills their pockets. We need a major overhaul of staff at Immigration Canada eliminating those from the (416) and Quebec, Jobs in the Federal Service must be based on what percentage of the population your Province is and not a single person over, Of course we know B.C. will get screwed everytime, it has been happening for the last 100 years. BC was better off before 1871

[updated Sun Oct 19 16:48:04 EDT 2008]

If the Liberals fail to rebuild, should they like the Bloc become a regional party. Should they become Party of the GTA?

[updated Sun Oct 19 18:14:41 EDT 2008]

Attention: All Liberals, Kelly McParland at the National Post has 6 tips to get your party in the right direction, Read and Learn for the First time in your life. Your Party may actually survive if can Read, Think and Listen!

[updated Mon Oct 20 02:57:34 EDT 2008]

The Six Tips For Liberals as in National Post and 1 of mine Total 7
1. Get over yourselves
2. Forget Trudeau
3. Look at a Map ( Which one you ask? Canada)
4. Enough with Anti-Americanism - Carolyn Parrish was an embarassment
5. Think smaller
6. Don't be in such a Hurry

Bonus Tip: Forget Chretien the man should be in Jail

[updated Mon Oct 20 11:31:09 EDT 2008]